1883-P VAM-4 - with a (possible) dash?

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1883-P VAM-4 - with a (possible) dash?

Post by keilg1 » Tue May 31, 2022 4:51 pm

1883 was a good year for dashing around. The Brooklyn Bridge was openend in May after 13 years of construction. Supposedly the world's first rodeo was held in Pecos, Texas. And the Philadelphia, San Fran and New Orleans mints were busily adding them below the second 8...

At least 6 varieties from Philly have been desribed so to find a coin with a little extra bit of fun below the date is not a rarity.

Yet, I'm seeing what appears to be a strongly dashed coin... but is clearly a VAM-4. Doesn't make sense though.

Can't quite get a good picture to show it - it appears to be more than a hit, smudge or other PMD. In the mean time I thought I'd lob this to the experts for advice. Based on the cracking I'd say this is more an MDS to LDS of the die, with the clash (without letter transfer) still present but not completely faded. Definitely doesn't make sense a dash would be added late in the game - I'd expect it to be there from the first coin to obverse die retirement.

Your thoughts?

Thanks,

Gary

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Re: 1883-P VAM-4 - with a (possible) dash?

Post by vampicker » Tue May 31, 2022 5:26 pm

First thing I'd want to do is poke it with a stick. If it survived, I'd think this is a die break. No way that's a dash mark.
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Re: 1883-P VAM-4 - with a (possible) dash?

Post by keilg1 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 6:29 am

vampicker wrote:
Tue May 31, 2022 5:26 pm
First thing I'd want to do is poke it with a stick. If it survived, I'd think this is a die break. No way that's a dash mark.
Thanks and will gently poke. With as many scratches on it already one more might not harm it if I poke too hard.

Agree it doesn't look like a dash even if it's in the right spot and relatively the right size (horzontally at least). Interesting if it was a die break but it still wouldn't fit the regular look and I'm sure it would have been spotted on other coins in the past.

Cheers!

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