Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

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Mike7E
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Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Sun May 29, 2022 9:17 pm

Picked this flashy lady up raw as nicely struck and thought I saw doubling in the six. Looking closer there appears to be slight doubling in the 1 and tripling in the 896 plus other interesting features.

The 1896-P page has a shorter list than most and I went through all of them without finding this one. I also re-reviewed the NSD list: VAM-8 and -23 are listed as NSD but the 1 is further left for both dies. VAM-12 has the 1 in almost the same position and has double arrows however the wing gap and other features don’t match.
All attribution help is appreciated.
1896-P Near Slanted Date A577 - 20220528_102025.jpg
1896-P Near Slanted Date A577 - 20220528_102025.jpg (209.97 KiB) Viewed 879 times
Near Slanted Date, LE3/RH4, the 9 & 6 being almost twice as far from the denticles as the 1 & 8.
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1896-P 1 A610 - 20220528_093201.jpg
1896-P 1 A610 - 20220528_093201.jpg (200.2 KiB) Viewed 879 times
1 slight doubling both sides above lower crossbar
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1896-P 8 A611 - 20220528_093214.jpg
1896-P 8 A611 - 20220528_093214.jpg (197.79 KiB) Viewed 879 times
8 tripled outside left upper loop; bottom inside and outside right lower loop.
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1896-P 9 A612 - 20220528_093231.jpg
1896-P 9 A612 - 20220528_093231.jpg (204.07 KiB) Viewed 879 times
9 doubled outside left upper loop, tripled outside right; inside bottom lower loop and where the two loops meet.
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1896-P 6 A613 - 20220528_093251.jpg
1896-P 6 A613 - 20220528_093251.jpg (309.78 KiB) Viewed 879 times
6 tripled outside left; bottom inside and top outside of lower loop; right outside of upper loop
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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Sun May 29, 2022 9:33 pm

1896-P R in PLURIBUS A582 - 20220527_213058.jpg
1896-P R in PLURIBUS A582 - 20220527_213058.jpg (162.57 KiB) Viewed 876 times
1896-P S in PLURIBUS  diebreak A574 - 20220528_143638.jpg
1896-P S in PLURIBUS diebreak A574 - 20220528_143638.jpg (146.95 KiB) Viewed 876 times
1896-P 1st U in UNUM A623 - 20220528_093556.jpg
1896-P 1st U in UNUM A623 - 20220528_093556.jpg (218.96 KiB) Viewed 876 times
1896-P N in UNUM A624 - 20220528_093608.jpg
1896-P N in UNUM A624 - 20220528_093608.jpg (219.61 KiB) Viewed 876 times
1896-P Ear A629 - 20220528_093840.jpg
1896-P Ear A629 - 20220528_093840.jpg (232.07 KiB) Viewed 876 times
Doubled motto. Doubled ear inside right and left.

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Sun May 29, 2022 9:39 pm

1896-P Cotton Blos Lines A576 - 20220528_101934.jpg
1896-P Cotton Blos Lines A576 - 20220528_101934.jpg (249.97 KiB) Viewed 875 times
1896-P LI A627 - 20220528_093738.jpg
1896-P LI A627 - 20220528_093738.jpg (228.47 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Lines between cotton blossoms. Slightly doubled LI LIBERTY.
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1896-P 1st T STATES A641 - 20220528_094604.jpg
1896-P 1st T STATES A641 - 20220528_094604.jpg (168.18 KiB) Viewed 875 times
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1896-P Wreath Bow A574 - 20220528_131253.jpg
1896-P Wreath Bow A574 - 20220528_131253.jpg (214.03 KiB) Viewed 875 times
1896-P Wing Gap A575 - 20220528_131323.jpg
1896-P Wing Gap A575 - 20220528_131323.jpg (239.81 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Wreath bow and wing gap mostly clear, doubled left wing at gap (strike doubling?)

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Sun May 29, 2022 9:44 pm

1896-P N in ONE A657 - 20220528_094913.jpg
1896-P N in ONE A657 - 20220528_094913.jpg (198.89 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Doubled denomination, N in ONE
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1896-P Arrows A677 - 20220528_095400.jpg
1896-P Arrows A677 - 20220528_095400.jpg (236.09 KiB) Viewed 875 times
1896-P Feathers A574 - 20220528_142217.jpg
1896-P Feathers A574 - 20220528_142217.jpg (194.78 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Doubled arrows, feathers
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1896-P wreath left A669 - 20220528_095217.jpg
1896-P wreath left A669 - 20220528_095217.jpg (233.96 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Left Wreath
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1896-P Rt wing mark A631 - 20220528_094155.jpg
1896-P Rt wing mark A631 - 20220528_094155.jpg (231.74 KiB) Viewed 875 times
Mark in right wing

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Sun May 29, 2022 9:46 pm

1896-P NSD OBV IMG_2066.JPG
1896-P NSD OBV IMG_2066.JPG (212.89 KiB) Viewed 875 times
1896-P NSD Rev IMG_2071.JPG
1896-P NSD Rev IMG_2071.JPG (223.42 KiB) Viewed 875 times

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by blh74 » Mon May 30, 2022 11:57 pm

I have a V12. I think it matches.

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by Mike7E » Tue May 31, 2022 10:22 pm

Yup, you are correct. For at least one of the multiple die sets and ours isn't explained. I let the Die set 2 pictures with lots of polishing lines confuse me again.
I just cropped some features from the RonH FCPs and they match what would be die set 1 but don't show the detail in the date needed to identify this die set. Or is the tripling wiped out with die use? Both his reverse pics have the thread in the right wing, which is not clear in the close up on the page. There is also a third FCP set that is not the same as the RonH ones as there are lots of other polishing marks and the date is slightly left of ours at RE2/LH4. See below.
Date V12 1896P_AW101218_Obv_LFCP (3).jpg
Date V12 1896P_AW101218_Obv_LFCP (3).jpg (173.22 KiB) Viewed 841 times
What stage is your coin at? I think mine must be very early to still have the tripling in the date.
I think there needs to be more close up pictures and comments on the die sets at the page. Should I just create a new post to ask someone to add a series of pictures and comments explaining the die set variations? Would you be able to review my suggestions?
Thanks for the help.

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Re: Help with 1896-P Near Slanted Date, Doubled 1 Tripled 896, Doubled Motto and Reverse

Post by blh74 » Wed Jun 01, 2022 2:02 am

Mine is a die #1. No doubling of date. The reverse has the threadlike in the wing, wing gap and bow have diagonal lines.

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