1877 Trade Dollar

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1877 Trade Dollar

Post by JASONKFLO » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:50 am

Nothing fancy but I loved the toning on this coin.
Old ANACS Holder
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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by alefzero » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:40 am

Looks like the C-20 obverse possibly with an unlisted reverse. Or it might have completely eluded my listings. That is always possible with the higher mintage dates, especially Philadelphia ones.

Check the listing, which I have made public, to see if you match.

http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/1877_Trade.html

Here are a couple auction links to C-20 specimens.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/ ... 314-7497.s (PCGS 63 CAC)

https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/ ... 15-23489.s (PCGS UNC Details - gold shield, so there is a TrueView for the 36688694 cert as well)

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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by JASONKFLO » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 am

alefzero wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:40 am
Looks like the C-20 obverse possibly with an unlisted reverse. Or it might have completely eluded my listings. That is always possible with the higher mintage dates, especially Philadelphia ones.

Check the listing, which I have made public, to see if you match.

http://registry.ssdcvams.com/Trade/1877_Trade.html

Here are a couple auction links to C-20 specimens.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/ ... 314-7497.s (PCGS 63 CAC)

https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-dollars/ ... 15-23489.s (PCGS UNC Details - gold shield, so there is a TrueView for the 36688694 cert as well)
Thanks I will take a close look once it arrives. I should also have the 1874 in Hand soon and will photo that one and post.
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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by alefzero » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:02 am

JASONKFLO wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 am
Thanks I will take a close look once it arrives. I should also have the 1874 in Hand soon and will photo that one and post.
Never know; might get two discoveries before it all gets published. Someone else already found two for me that had snuck past my radar. Another guy found one too.

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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by JASONKFLO » Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:09 am

alefzero wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:02 am
JASONKFLO wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:56 am
Thanks I will take a close look once it arrives. I should also have the 1874 in Hand soon and will photo that one and post.
Never know; might get two discoveries before it all gets published. Someone else already found two for me that had snuck past my radar. Another guy found one too.
The 1874 is raw so I want to check it out to confirm its real first but there is a 1874 on PCGS Photograde with the same obverse as my 1874 coming . The reverse strike near the Eagles left foot is weak struck. The holder was really rough so its hard to make out details on the reverse .
That reverse gunk is on the exterior of the holder.
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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by Prider358 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:40 am

Hi Jason, thanks for showing. I do like the Trade Dollar, I have several of them. Also like the Liberty Seated Dollar as well.

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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by alefzero » Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am

The 1874 I am pretty certain is the I16 obverse of the C-5. There is a tell-tale diagonal die scratch in the denticles (about 4 or 5 of them after the 4). I think this is an earlier pairing of that die though. There are also die scratches in the denticles above Liberty's head. Your reverse looks both interesting and unlisted. I do not believe it was among those listed for 1874 nor a reuse of a listed 1873 reverse nor used in 1875 (only one Type 1 reverse die was used). What is unmistakable are the worm die scratches in the lower denticles. I also look at the left upper serif for the M of AMERICA to discriminate the dies. Also considered reuse of Type 1 proof dies with a dot after FINE. So as long as it is genuine, and it appears to be the case, you probably have an unlisted reverse die at least. The Mint did not record the number of dies prepared for 1874 Philadelphia use. That main mint also, unlike Carson City especially, was not one to reuse dies much, except very notably in proofs.

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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by JASONKFLO » Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:18 pm

alefzero wrote:
Wed Apr 20, 2022 8:41 am
The 1874 I am pretty certain is the I16 obverse of the C-5. There is a tell-tale diagonal die scratch in the denticles (about 4 or 5 of them after the 4). I think this is an earlier pairing of that die though. There are also die scratches in the denticles above Liberty's head. Your reverse looks both interesting and unlisted. I do not believe it was among those listed for 1874 nor a reuse of a listed 1873 reverse nor used in 1875 (only one Type 1 reverse die was used). What is unmistakable are the worm die scratches in the lower denticles. I also look at the left upper serif for the M of AMERICA to discriminate the dies. Also considered reuse of Type 1 proof dies with a dot after FINE. So as long as it is genuine, and it appears to be the case, you probably have an unlisted reverse die at least. The Mint did not record the number of dies prepared for 1874 Philadelphia use. That main mint also, unlike Carson City especially, was not one to reuse dies much, except very notably in proofs.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge . I look forward to looking at these both closely and learning more about them.
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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by colwillys » Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:36 pm

WTG nice picks .. I also started picking on the Trade Dollars ..

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Re: 1877 Trade Dollar

Post by JASONKFLO » Sat Apr 23, 2022 12:13 am

Got the 77 and 74 today. Ill post the 74 on its own.
77 is stunning in hand. Peach and purple toning with lots of luster.
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