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New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:40 am

Hello all, I’m new here and have a question. I saw that new submissions are on hold until further notice, does that mean if I think I have a ’VAM’ coin that I should not post photos or discuss it until cleared? I have an 1888-S Morgan that seems to my untrained eye to have the following errors on one coin- die clash with image transfer to reverse., die crack, foreign material embedded in coin and lamination near edge. I’d love to post photos and get thoughts from those who study these, please let me know how to proceed here. Thanx, James M.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 11:50 am

Also just noticed part of the letter ‘S’ in the word States on reverse is missing.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by DurhamJnKY » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:02 pm

The hold on submissions refers to sending your coin to the powers that be for confirmation of a new VAM.

You are encouraged to post pictures here 1st.

And Welcome to VAMworld.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:03 pm

Posting pictures is fine. They are not ready to have you send actual coins in for evaluation of assigning new VAM.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:40 pm

Sweet. I just picked up this coin two days ago, and by picked up I mean I found it laying on the ground in a gravel driveway under a carport. ( I spoke with the woman living in the house and she said it wasn’t hers. ) I thought it was a ‘punch out’ from an electric box because it was completely coated with grey dirt and I couldn’t see any details but something made me pick it up and I could tell from the weight it was a coin. I wiped off the dirt and immediately recognized it was a Morgan Dollar! Then when I got home I did a quick search and found it was a relatively scarce date. While cleaning it up I felt a sharp spot on the edge and was trying to decide if I wanted to file it down or put a punch on it to tap it down flat. That’s when I got out my loupe to see how to proceed and I spotted some weird marks. I then realized the marks were reversed ghosts from the front. That’s when I tried to find any info and found out about VAMs. I’ll shut up now and let the pictures speak. I think it may be a new VAM but I’m not sure. Thank you in advance for any education on the subject.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:46 pm

I’m having a little trouble getting pics to load.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:52 pm

This shows missing piece from the ‘S’.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Feb 17, 2022 12:53 pm

Interesting. I will let the experts weigh in. Meanwhile this overlay of an obverse and reverse gives you an idea of where counterclashed features show.

http://www.1881o.com/assets/clash_rev_2200.jpg

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:08 pm

Front of coin. Thank you for the link. I did some searching around the site and found the overlay images before posting and all the marks I’m noticing line up. I’ll try to get a good picture of the die crack, it runs from the base of the tail to tip of the wreath.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by lured_in_again » Thu Feb 17, 2022 1:42 pm

My memory might be fuzzy about it, but I think I remember a highly clashed 1888 s posted on VW years back. Thinking it was picked up off e-bay and if I remember correctly. it turned out to be counterfeit. This one struck me as similar. But.... old age and memory (occasional beer or two) I could be way out in left field. The experts should chime in soon enough.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:51 pm

I’m pretty confused right now. I weighed the coin and came up with 24.84 g. That is quite shy of the 26.73 g official weight but nowhere near the 16.64 g weight one website showed a steel coin weighing. Also I tried numerous magnets and it shows ZERO attraction to magnets. What gives?

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by messydesk » Thu Feb 17, 2022 2:59 pm

I've seen that before. Unfortunately it's fake.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by RogerB » Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:01 pm

The photos indicate a counterfeit made with flat, unbaisened, dies.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:40 pm

Okay, I watched YouTube vids and one guy mentioned he owned a 90% silver counterfeit. I set up a test by placing a neodymium magnet at the edge of my counter and set it back from the edge by the thickness of a piece of paper so the coin would clear and not touch the magnet but be as close as possible to make the test sensitive. If I simply place the coin against the edge nothing moves but when I slide the coin passed rapidly the magnet did roll. Sooo… I’m guessing it’s a mostly silver fake with flaws that may have been deliberately added?!thanks for pointing out that it might be fake, I have to say I’m really impressed with the quality these guys are able to pull off!!! It’s not like the cast ones I saw when I was a kid.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 3:46 pm

I’ll file a flat on it and post pics. I’m going to guess what looks like a lamination is some kind of plating maybe?

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:15 pm

I filed a flat on the edge and under 10x magnification it looks like it may be a brass alloy ( possibly mixed with iron )with a very thin silver layer. Also compared it against two certified examples and noticed the corners where lady liberties neck joins the background is very crisp on the authentic ones but looks’ washed out’ or blurry on the fake. Seriously though, I would have been fooled by this one if not for spending a lot of effort studying it! Well, thanks to everyone for the education, that was fun. I’ll be much more careful in acquiring any coins in the future!!!! James.
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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by bob259 » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:36 pm

One caution: Don't ever file or punch with a hammer any real coin. Be sure to know it is fake before doing anything to it.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by pup_picker » Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:50 pm

a coin exactly like this was posted at CU very recently. be careful.

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by tunabatjackhammer » Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:42 pm

I’m not familiar with CU, what is that?

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Re: New to forum, quick question.

Post by messydesk » Fri Feb 18, 2022 3:41 am

bob259 wrote:
Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:36 pm
One caution: Don't ever file or punch with a hammer any real coin. Be sure to know it is fake before doing anything to it.
Indeed. Some 69-S DDO cents were treated to test cuts, as was this buffalo nickel struck on a $5 gold planchet.
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