Edge of an E?

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Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:51 am

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by Tekkie1 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:23 am

I can see what you're referring to Ray and I say, it sure looks like it to me...then again, I've had a few Long Island Tea's among other alcoholic beverages as well. :o :twisted: :lol:

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by ljs123 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:44 am

Ray,
Looks very interesting. I've never had an E clashed Peace dollar in hand, but your coin makes me think you have an E clash.

It sounds like someone is in Jacksonville for the Florida Georgia football game, AKA The World's Largest Cocktail Party.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by colwillys » Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:52 pm

Is it a 1924-P VAM 5B ????

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:46 pm

22-S VAM 1-R

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by messydesk » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:08 pm

Keep in mind that an E clash on a Peace dollar is not going to have crisp edges. It will manifest itself as an E-shaped change in the luster.
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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by shortnock » Sat Oct 27, 2018 3:45 pm

Ray... Please note, and perhaps photograph, those multiple clashmarks above the right wing. That reverse die was really, really worked over. It was a joy to watch you pickin' on Friday.
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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:09 pm

Side by Side of 22 S 1R and 24 P 1D. Angles look and location look very similar based on the small difference in rotation of the clashes on each of the varieties.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by vampicker » Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:42 pm

I'd say it's a phantom and not actually an E. On all of the documented E clash Peace Dollars. there's a strong outline of the angle of the chin and neck below the E. I can't imagine the letter would transfer without also getting the chin & neck mark as well. I think this outline of that portion of the profile is actually what you're seeing, with some fairly aggressive die polishing over the top of it to distort its more typical look.
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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:15 am

John and John the crusher of dreams!

I think it sunk in that the jaw and neck should be stronger than the E clash, key word sunk. The neck and jaw clash is there but weak in the next set of rays to the left and appears to be the earlier clash event based on the clash strengths on the eagles shoulder. There were at least two clash events that can be seen at the eagles right side one near the neck and another at shoulder.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by colwillys » Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:56 am

Can you tell us the date of the coin .

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:14 pm

1922-S VAM-1R

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by vamsterdam » Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:30 pm

I was trying to figure out where you were seeing an E. I saw no jaw/neck clash. Then I read JR’s comment and realized I wasn’t the only one who wasn’t seeing it. Keep looking. There is bound to be one more out there.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by Albannach » Mon Oct 29, 2018 6:41 pm

Orientation is wrong.
I think it's the neck clash...

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:15 pm

Doug,

Here is one of the clashes from the neck-chin. As you can see there are at least two clashes right of eagle. This is the only clash of the neck-chin I can see and is one set of rays left and down from the area I was pointing out as the letter position. It is interesting that the stronger of the two Ray clashes right of eagles head is the far right clash which happens to coordinate with area where I suspected the edge of E, yet as John pointed out there should be a neck-chin clash there. Look at the clashes of 1924 VAM 1D, you will need supplement or elite 30 book to see clash at right of eagle which is slightly right of location of the farthest right ray clash on my picture below.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:00 pm

I think Ray be onto something. The marker he shows is too high off of eagle's wing to be the neck clash. It is also incuse to the coin which a clashed E would be.

While I am not convinced, and am not convinced LVA would list it as a clashed E, I think it should be seen in hand by others before any attempt is made to send to LVA.

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Re: Edge of an E?

Post by raynat3 » Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:57 pm

Alan,

I had not planned on sending this in even if folks thought this might be an edge as I called it. It just is too weak for listing in my opinion and probably Leroy’s also. I had to squeeze the heck out of this coin just to get the neck clash to pop out.

I would like to examine other coins if this variety though. As shortnock said there was a good deal of work done on this one and maybe a version prior to this one might have something showing the other neck-chin clash.

I wonder if Brian still has his discovery coin?

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