Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

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Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

Post by Mike7E » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:25 pm

Took me some time to post this. First my scanner refused to save the printout of Leroy’s pictures as jpg files even though I set it to do that. Next took pics with my iPhone but those transfer to PC through cable as HEIC files so non-MAC PC can’t open them. Finally downloaded app to my iPhone to convert HEIC to jpg so I could send them by email to my PC.
I posted the 1880-P to VAMWorld 2.0 on Sep 9, 21 As “Overdate, Doubled Neck, Motto, Date” with one comment that it they did not see evidence of an overdate. So, I sent it to Leroy. As expected my magnification is too high so what I saw is not easily seen with a 10X loupe, but the features are there. He did agree that the 8 & 0 are doubled and it is new VAM-86. He also spotted a raised area behind the eye and determined it is “Strike thru on die of curved raised line near hair back of eye.” There was also a comment in the letter, but not in the description, “Strike thru coin indent back of eagle’s neck.” I have attached my picture of this but as an ‘indent’ it would seem to be on this coin only.
There are a few features that I think should also be noted in addition to Leroy’s description. One is the die surface deterioration ‘doubling’ at the I and other letters in PLURIBUS as that is easily seen with a 10X loupe. Another is the doubling at the neck, or is that damage? First group of pics will be for this coin. I’ll add another post to this thread for additional pics of this and the next coin. (Any idea who has VAM-85, I don’t see it on VAMWorld 2.0?)
Leroy letter Nov 28_2021.jpg
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Re: Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

Post by Mike7E » Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:28 pm

M7E 1880-P neck Neck A002 - 20210830_175550.jpg
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M7E 1880-P R&I.jpg
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M7E 1880-P Strike thru coin indent back eagle's neck.jpg
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I knew the 1884-O was a VAM-8 but saw much more on the coin than the page listed so that went in the package to Leroy also. Again, several things can’t be seen with a 10X loupe so not admissible as evidence for this die pair. He did find new features and “Added to description vertical polishing line at eye front & some die chips on Liberty head lower cheek and neck”
Hope someone has access to Leroy’s picture archive as the printouts that he sent have lines in them.
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Re: Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

Post by PacificWR » Thu Dec 30, 2021 4:57 am

Congrats on your tnew DC and revision. I'll setup the VAM pages. What is the date on your LVA letter?

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Re: Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

Post by messydesk » Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:47 pm

Looks like 80 VAM 85 was listed in October

85 III2 79 ● C3a (Doubled 880) (181) I-2 R-5
Obverse III2 79-- Doubled 880 with left 8 doubled at lower left outside of upper loop and top inside of lower loop,
right 8 at lower left outside of upper loop and 0 slightly at top right outside and strongly at lower left inside.
Die chip right side of left 8. Die marker- Die polishing lines in TY of LIBERTY. Vertical die scratch lower
left outside of eye.
Reverse C3a-- Die marker- Die polishing lines wing-neck gap.

Edit: Just found the pictures. There are 5, which I'll upload in a bit.

Another Edit: 80 VAM 85 page is up. This is the quality of pictures we'll have when we replace existing Leroy pictures with the ones I have now.
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Re: Back from Leroy 1880-P New VAM-86 Doubled 80 & 1884-O Revised VAM-8, Help with pages please.

Post by fogie » Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:32 pm

I have added same to the SSDC registry so you can register your "new prize"! Congratulations!

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Post by Mike7E » Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:00 pm

Thanks to everyone and Happy New Year. I expect the second booster to be available in May. Gotta be a better year around here somewhere.


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Post by Mhomei » Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:51 pm

Mike

Hopefully I am wrong but I am fairly certain your V85 is already listed as V59

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Post by PacificWR » Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:10 pm

The new VAM-86 page has been created and the revision completed on the 1884-O VAM-8.

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Post by Mike7E » Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:43 am

Mine is the new VAM-86 and it has what looks like a bolt going thru top of 0.
I had asked about the VAM-85 as it was not posted yet. Not sure who submitted that.

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