Retained Cud? 1H2 or 1H3?

[lioncutter]

Picked this up recently and took a shot at it being the 1921 D VAM 1H3. (not a cherry pick) I think it is a retained cud 1H3 but want to verify here.
What do you think?

[pup_picker]

from all the images, here and on the pages, i'd say it is h2. the h3, has more of the chips broken away at S3 along with movement of the die, which causes more depth on the area around S3 and towards S2.

there is something off about all of it, so i'm gonna pull some images and do some comp and come back.

i will say if one had a true h2 and a true h3, the difference between the 2 in-hand would be pretty stark.

here is a quick n dirty version. you can open in new tab or download to get a bigger version.

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[RogerRock]

Your photos show die breaks consistent with VAM 1H2. The field displacement left of stars 1 -2- 3 is much higher on VAM 1H3. Furthermore, rim displacement is evident opposite star 4 in the second and third additional photos on VAM 1H3.

[vamsterdam]

i had a very late di state 1h3. the movement of the broken section was so obvious. the entire piece was a strike or two from a cud. so, the displacement isn't there for a 1h3. there needs to be way more near the 1. still, a 1 h2 is a great coin.

[lioncutter]

Thanks for all the answers. I agree with it being 1H2. I assumed that the displacement below the die break which is lower than the base above the break would make it a retained cud and possible 1H3. It is hard to see that in the pics but below the break is lower than above the break.

[pup_picker]

I assumed that the displacement below the die break which is lower than the base above the break would make it a retained cud and possible 1H3.

technically, h2 MAY actually still be a retained cud (a crack going from rim to rim not too far apart even w/o discernable displacement) but for a vam listing, the stages are far enough apart and/or the discovery dates are for there to be more than one listing. it isn't impossible to eventually see yet another stage come to light.