Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

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lured_in_again
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Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by lured_in_again » Fri Oct 29, 2021 11:24 pm

Looking to see if anyone has an example of VAM 14. Not convinced it exists as the photo on the VAM 14 page (http://www.vamworld.com/wiki/1891-O_VAM-14) is likely a 14A later die state. Looking for any help that anyone can provide before I send anything to LVA. thanks, Jon

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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:55 pm

Might this be the 1891 O VAM 14 you were wondering about? Noted the faint neck clash, wing-n clash, slanted normal date, and bottom filled o in God. Purchased this as semi-cull and expected it to be 14a once the gunk was removed. Once I got this in hand, I saw no clashed M, no clash from bottom of neckline across motto, and probably no wing-leg gouge. I think that's potentially gunk still in that crevice. I remembered you were looking for a 14-14a-20 coin without certain details.
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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by keilg1 » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:19 pm

Be interested to see if this is a straight 14 and not just a worn-down 14A.

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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Feb 02, 2023 1:31 pm

I was thinking same thing, and that could certainly be the case. Just didn't see any of the critical attributes.
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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by impairedsquirrel » Thu Feb 02, 2023 8:49 pm

I see the clash on both sides... 14a.
I'm thinking what Jon is looking for is a pre-clash version.
I go totally NUTS for WOW! VAMs!! Or is that from WOW! VAMs?

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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:03 pm

I see. This does have weak clashed, but none of the other attributes, so I thought it might be of interest in his work. I did a little more work to de-gunk the wing gouge area and took a closeup, and don't think that feature is there either.
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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by lured_in_again » Thu Feb 02, 2023 9:14 pm

Appreciate the efforts to help unravel this progression. It looks to me like a worn 14A. This may sound wacky, but when I tilt my head to the right. it looks like I might be able to a hint of the gouge in there, worn down like the other pick up points??? ..... LOL But then I am kind of wacky for studying the series anyway. I will try to dig into it a little more this coming week.... thanks to all, Jon

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Re: Doing a little deeper dive into 1891 o - VAMs 14, 14a and 20

Post by keilg1 » Fri Feb 03, 2023 7:19 am

SSDC shows zero straight 14s registered... I'm honored to own the 14A DC and have a few other ones but these don't help the hunt for what appears to be a very elusive precursor.

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