Water droplets on the 1885

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Water droplets on the 1885

Post by jrfaust » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:47 pm

I've got a 1885 that I believe has the "water droplets" similar to V39 and 40. It doesn't seem to match either of the 2 VAMs. My 85 has a Far Date (I believe)and doesn't have the same pups as the 39 or 40. I think Brent (fogie) discovered the V40. Brent, (or others)could you help me verify that these marks are in fact water droplets? Hopefully my photography skills are well enough to capture the marks. Super tough to capture these marks! ;)
Thanks in advance for any help or insight on these marks :D
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Re: Water droplets on the 1885

Post by jrfaust » Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:48 pm

And here's the date I believe is a Far Date
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Re: Water droplets on the 1885

Post by fogie » Thu Oct 28, 2021 4:56 pm

I do believe that you have a far date. Sometimes if a date is this close LVA may call it "normal" or "at the right side of normal" even though it is technically a far date. When this (VAM) game started way back when - LVA did not have the same tools that we enjoy today and some things were do by eye (so to speak). The "water drops" do look to me to be what they speak of when they refer to "water drops". Again this is something that was not mentioned in the early days of VAM attribution but came about rather recently.

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Re: Water droplets on the 1885

Post by messydesk » Thu Oct 28, 2021 6:13 pm

Check VAM 9E. That has these marks on it, as well. Yours would be an EDS without the cracks if that's what it is, but die polishing would still match. The date position looks about right.
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Re: Water droplets on the 1885

Post by jrfaust » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:45 pm

Thanks for the info Brent!
John, you nailed it! It does not have a clashed obv, but that makes sense as this is EDS, it also has the faint starting of the cracks that match up with the 9E. Hope that made sense ;)
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Re: Water droplets on the 1885

Post by RogerB » Thu Oct 28, 2021 7:55 pm

Resembles superficial crystallization on the die....sometimes a product of excess heat during final annealing, and poor heat during tempering.

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