1889 O with an X under Eagle

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sfal
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1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by sfal » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:05 pm

going thru my late father inlaws coins, he had 9 Morgans ( either O or no mint mark Philly) and 1 Peace
This 1889 O has a raised x like mark under Eagle chin...havent been able to find another searching online. It also has a smaller 9 on date, not sure what VAM this would fall under
Love the history

Thanks for any help/input
Al

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fogie
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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by fogie » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:26 pm

Coin has been cut after it was made. The X under the eagles chin is serious damage - it will reduce the value to not much more than melt - if any. Today this is one of the things done by coin dealer to counterfit coins so no one mistakes it for something of value.

sfal
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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by sfal » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:25 pm

Thanks for the input....the mark is raised...not cut into the coin
Just trying to learn
Thanks al

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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by ljs123 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:47 pm

sfal wrote:
Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:25 pm
Thanks for the input....the mark is raised...not cut into the coin
Just trying to learn
Thanks al
A deep cut does raise the metal. Then over time and wear the raised metal smooths out and looks like it was made that way.
This is exactly what a cut looks like.
You can also see the cut depression that runs along the raised metal.

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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by DHalladay » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:42 pm

There have been multiple posts here over the years about cuts that look (and are) raised, but were in fact caused by cuts. There will undoubtedly be others in the future.
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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by caltx01 » Thu Oct 28, 2021 1:10 am

fogie wrote:
Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:26 pm
Coin has been cut after it was made. The X under the eagles chin is serious damage - it will reduce the value to not much more than melt - if any. Today this is one of the things done by coin dealer to counterfit coins so no one mistakes it for something of value.
This is an interesting fact I did not know. Are there other reasons that would warrant damage such as this or is this an indication that some dealer in the past determined this coin to be counterfeit?

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Re: 1889 O with an X under Eagle

Post by fogie » Thu Oct 28, 2021 5:05 pm

Some of the casinos in Nevada (and elsewhere I am sure) use to have silver dollars in slots. Some of them would "deface" the silver dollars in said slots so they stood a greater chance of being redeemed (for paper) or put back into the machine rather than being taken to the far reaches of the planet when folks went back home. In the southwest we know them as "VEGAS DOLLARS" and it makes the old butt pucker to come on an old hoard of them. I really can be quite painful to see a good date all screwed up so intentionally. They do not call Las Vegas "The City of Sin" for nothing....

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