1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

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1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Mon Oct 18, 2021 9:16 pm

I bought this coin I believe to be vam 57 with a clashed reverse. There are no whole coin pictures for this coin on the listing. Can anyone tell me if they all have these or is this a new finding? Thank you
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by ljs123 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:07 pm

I don’t know your VW name.
If you are new here, welcome.
The obverse clash line is in the wrong location for VAM-57. VAM-57 obverse is the same as 24A.
Having said that, your coin clashing is interesting. It would be nice to see in hand.
Nice pick.

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:21 pm

Yes I’m new and thank you. I got a little ahead of myself and didn’t search them all it looks to be a 75a. Not many pictures for that to see if it has the multiple clashing.

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by ljs123 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:32 pm

I don’t remember my 75A looking like your coin.
My coin is confirmed as a 75A by JB @messydesk
I’ll pull my coin and check it against your coin.
You may have one that has clashed again.

I don’t really know what you have, but my first knee jerk thought was you might have a 58A.

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Mon Oct 18, 2021 10:50 pm

I will double check when I get home but from what I recall I remember thinking it had the 25 front but the cluster scratch from 57 and neither cross reference to 75. It does look to have the bulge on the chin of the 25

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by ljs123 » Mon Oct 18, 2021 11:25 pm

It is interesting. It would be nice to have photos that showed detail better, but it does look like it may be a 25 obverse. I have not seen a 25 obverse with the exact reverse clashing that I'm seeing on your photos.

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:54 am

Here’s a few it’s not letting me do them all I will put some up later or tomorrow. Thanks for your input
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:28 am

A few more
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by vampicker » Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:22 pm

That's not the VAM 57 reverse. There's doubling on the outer leaves of the left bough that isn't present on your example. I'd have you doublecheck for the VAM 25 reverse marker of several die chips in the center of the outer right (viewer's left) wing. If this is a VAM 25 marriage, this stage occurs after the VAM 25C.
I don't see any additional clashing that Van Allen would list, but a verifiable later stage of VAM 25C is certainly worth noting on our page for the variety and a hellava nice find.
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:23 pm

I’m not seeing the crack between the UN or the wing markers and it does have the cluster of scratches between the leg and chest. Also has doubling on the wreaths.I’m taking pictures with a loupe and phone 😂 Here’s some more.
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:24 pm

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:36 pm

There also these scratches or gouges near WE
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by vampicker » Tue Oct 19, 2021 4:29 pm

Here's a few shots from a VAM 57 to clear up whether or not it's the same reverse, because you might be right.

The first image is a close up of the weird fan shaped lump at the top of the leg. The second shows a gouge between the first and second left clusters in the right bough. This is above the LA of DOLLAR. The third image shows a horizontal scratch in the upper tailfeathers.
The gouges at we on your coin are not present on my example of VAM 57

I have no idea why the first two images loaded upside down
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:40 pm

Definitely have the fanned out scratches but not the other 2. Is it safe to say it’s a late die state of 75a?
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by vampicker » Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:56 pm

Seems to be the most likely candidate.
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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by ljs123 » Thu Oct 21, 2021 11:23 pm

Nice pick
It doesn’t look anything like my 75A.
Would be nice for an expert like JB or JR to see both together for an expert analysis.
Congratulations

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Re: 1880 p vam 57 with multiple reverse clashing??

Post by Bazzilini » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:04 pm

I’m new here so don’t know how it all works yet and Thank you

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