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Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 11:46 am
by Windycity
So apparently I have not been paying attention but can someone explain the "JOH" designation? I was looking at the die break page for the 1921-D Morgan and the last few listings do not have traditional VAM numbers but rather "JOH" numbers.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 12:20 pm
by sheatown1
JOH numbers were assigned by Rob Joyce and late Jim Hart thus JOH via 1st letters in last names. They were 21-d's not up to new VAM #'s but able to be recognized for researching purposes as I understand. Fun With 21 book gives a list of their research #'s as of that point in time.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 2:05 pm
by messydesk
Since the book was written, many have had VAM numbers assigned due to scribbling scratches, or later die stages being found and determined to be listable. There's a list of these on the "Fun with 1921" page. If you have one that has not had a VAM number assigned, it may be eligible, especially if it has scribbling scratches.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:14 pm
by Windycity
So my coin is a match to the die crack listing and it seem to be substantial enough for listing. Don't see any sribbling.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 9:29 pm
by messydesk
Close-up picture? Leroy's standards have shifted to include more trivial breaks than he did 15 years ago.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:16 pm
by Windycity
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Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 1:44 pm
by shortnock
Nice photos. Fun with '21 is a fun time. Good reference material there.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 7:57 pm
by Geseas
I don't believe it is a JOH-23. The crack from the first 1 in '1921' to denticle indicates to me it may be a coin from the 1921-D Vam H series.

Re: Vam designation "JOH-23" 1921-D

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 12:10 pm
by Windycity
Not the H series, no scribbles and the breaks are different... particularly on reverse.