OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

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OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:14 am

The LaFayette Dollar die variety set is a fun one. There are only 5 varieties (a 6th one noted elsewhere does not exist). They are catalogued by DuVall numbers 1A, 1B, 2C, 3D, and 4E. The 1C is the non-existent one. The 4E is, by far, the most elusive. I have seen only 5 of them: PCGS MS64, ANACS AU50, ANACS MS60 details, ICG AU60 details (was DGC AU58 details), and a raw imparied circ I saw a couple years ago. The ANACS MS60 details is the discovery coin and believed to be unique for some time. It sold for $18,400 (including the juice) in 2007. The PCGS MS64 sold as a common coin at FUN a month before I started collecting these in 2017. That was the big *groan*. But now I have the second best one, the ANACS AU50, the only other graded specimen.

As for the rarities, I will have a variety guide ready by Long Beach but can roughly review them. After inspecting thousands of these, the relative percentage are pretty well known.

1A : 3%
1B : 56%
2C : 34%
3D : 7%
4E : <0.5%

My set:

1A : PCGS MS65 - Finest - There is an NGC MS66, but this is MUCH nicer
1B : PCGS MS63 - These are like water. It is a particularly nice one for the grade (lots of MS66 and a few MS67)
2C : PCGS MS65 - Also too common to try to get a top pop, like 1B, a lot of 66 and a few 67
3D : PCGS MS64 - A relatively nice one, was going to get a PCGS 65+ from Coast Coins a while ago but passed
4E : ANACS AU50 - Second finest of 4 slabbed and 5 known

This is a nice diversion set for VAM collectors. It is contemporary with the Morgans. They circulated because of the Depression. People spent them even though they had cost a significant premium over face. In fact a large fraction of them are circulated and impaired. Price points are not too bad. It is a short set. And it comes with challenges, especially if you try to build a matched set. Variety premiums are not exactly there, at least yet, and the 1A and 3D are able to be cherrypicked without fanfare.
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by messydesk » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:18 am

VSS will sticker these, you know. ;)
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:21 am

messydesk wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:18 am
VSS will sticker these, you know. ;)
A consideration then. Deciding if I want to try to cross the ANACS to PCGS and then send them all to CAC first. Will probably exhibit them at FUN.

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Post by DHalladay » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:39 am

Holy mackerel John! Big-time congratulations!! :D
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Sun Aug 22, 2021 2:41 am

Here is the auction of the discovery piece. The lot description is a worthwhile read.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/commemorative- ... 444-2090.s

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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by vamnuke » Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:34 pm

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Post by alefzero » Thu Aug 26, 2021 3:37 am

Arrived today. I am pretty certain it will cross at or above the AU50 grade.
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by Longstrider » Thu Aug 26, 2021 2:18 pm

WOW! Well done! 🐍

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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by messydesk » Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:32 pm

alefzero wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:14 am
The LaFayette Dollar die variety set is a fun one. There are only 5 varieties ....

As for the rarities, I will have a variety guide ready by Long Beach but can roughly review them. After inspecting thousands of these, the relative percentage are pretty well known.
Do you have a guide ready?
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 pm

messydesk wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:32 pm
alefzero wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:14 am
The LaFayette Dollar die variety set is a fun one. There are only 5 varieties ....

As for the rarities, I will have a variety guide ready by Long Beach but can roughly review them. After inspecting thousands of these, the relative percentage are pretty well known.
Do you have a guide ready?
No. It will take very little time, a couple days unless I want to make it fancy. I was pushing myself 100% to get as much of the Trade dollar book draft together going to the show date. They will both be done prior to FUN. I got that rare Lafayette crossed at the show form ANACS to PCGS. Also got both Heritage and Great Collections authorizations to use images from their auction archives. That will help for the book where they have a better specimen for a variety than I have or have imaged elsewhere.

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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by messydesk » Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:24 pm

alefzero wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 pm
messydesk wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:32 pm
alefzero wrote:
Sun Aug 22, 2021 12:14 am
The LaFayette Dollar die variety set is a fun one. There are only 5 varieties ....

As for the rarities, I will have a variety guide ready by Long Beach but can roughly review them. After inspecting thousands of these, the relative percentage are pretty well known.
Do you have a guide ready?
No. It will take very little time, a couple days unless I want to make it fancy. I was pushing myself 100% to get as much of the Trade dollar book draft together going to the show date. They will both be done prior to FUN. I got that rare Lafayette crossed at the show form ANACS to PCGS. Also got both Heritage and Great Collections authorizations to use images from their auction archives. That will help for the book where they have a better specimen for a variety than I have or have imaged elsewhere.
If you want good, consistent photos for the Lafayette guide, just have me do it when you send them for stickers. ;)
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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Mon Oct 04, 2021 9:51 pm

messydesk wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:24 pm
alefzero wrote:
Mon Oct 04, 2021 6:21 pm
messydesk wrote:
Fri Oct 01, 2021 7:32 pm


Do you have a guide ready?
No. It will take very little time, a couple days unless I want to make it fancy. I was pushing myself 100% to get as much of the Trade dollar book draft together going to the show date. They will both be done prior to FUN. I got that rare Lafayette crossed at the show form ANACS to PCGS. Also got both Heritage and Great Collections authorizations to use images from their auction archives. That will help for the book where they have a better specimen for a variety than I have or have imaged elsewhere.
If you want good, consistent photos for the Lafayette guide, just have me do it when you send them for stickers. ;)
That is where I figured you were going and makes the most sense. They are in final holders except maybe CAC, which will be unaffected by your reverse sticker. If you need the PUPs, I can tell you. All of them need the reverse showing the last bottom leaf relative to the date. (1A is a fat leaf, 1B is the most typical and is between the 1 and 9, 2C has it over the right side of the 9, 3D has it over the center of the 9, 4E has the leaf to the left of the entire date.) The 1A/1B obverse has a slightly dropped A in DOLLAR. 2C obverse features a doubled 2nd S in STATES and doubled 2nd A in AMERICA. 3D has the dot much closer to the 1st A of AMERICA than the F of OF. 4E has excessive space between CA of AMERICA. Of course, you could just look at the detail images I already have for them in the Lafayette set at the SSDC Registry. If only one image is used, the reverse leaf position is entirely sufficient since the 1C that some sources cite does not exist. Each variety has its own distinct reverse die.

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Re: OT - Finished a Short but Challenging Set

Post by alefzero » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:42 pm

Just noticed the TrueView for this last coin. I crossed it at Long Beach last month.
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