1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

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1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:16 pm

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N,E,D, Looks double
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Left C, 2 line
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Mark on first "0"
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Did break, I,T,E,
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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by ljs123 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:41 pm

Again, take a look at VAM-10A.
Did you mean to make two different posts for the same coin?

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:49 pm

I can't post a lot of photos, so if I don't show important photos, it looks like vam10a, so I made a mistake. It's still my first time, so I don't know how to post more than 5 photos.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by DHalladay » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:25 pm

James LEE wrote:
Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:49 pm
I can't post a lot of photos, so if I don't show important photos, it looks like vam10a, so I made a mistake. It's still my first time, so I don't know how to post more than 5 photos.
The system only allows a maximum of 5 photos per post, so if you want to show 6 (or 10) photos you need a second post.
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:39 pm

Thanks

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by ljs123 » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:09 pm

Welcome to VM James Lee.
You started with a nice VAM.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Sat Jul 31, 2021 9:16 pm

It's my first time, so whenever I make a mistake, please teach me a lot, thank you

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:09 pm

In the case of vam10a, the second C is short and blunt. The VAM7 or7a is long and pointed like my coin. The upper part is pressed on the year, there is a scratch on the first zero, Clashed mark in the middle of the left eagle wing. It looks like the first C of and CC has one more line with and, this is all my opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by Bigbub » Sun Aug 01, 2021 10:07 pm

The VAM-7 and the VAM-10 share the same reverse die, so that's not the difference between the two. As dies wear from use, as well as with coin wear, they can appear differently.

To attribute properly, you need to look at the obverse of your coin and determine the position of the left hand edge of the lower serif of the one in relation to the denticles. VAM-10 is further left than VAM 7 as shown in the pictures on their respective VAM pages.

The neck point on Miss Liberty's head always points to a gap in the denticles and is used as the reference point. the denticles are counted from left to right starting there and determine near dates, normal dates and far dates. Generally, very near dates have the left edge of the lower serif on the one over denticle 2, near dates have it over the gap between 2 and 3 and normal dates are over denticle 3. Far dates are over the gap of the right side of denticle 3 and very far over denticle 4.

There are VAMs listed that don't hold well to this convention, complicating the attributions. But it is a tool that does differentiate between dies.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:51 am

Thank you so much. I feel like I learned too many things at once.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:08 am

Thank you so much. I feel like I learned too many things at once.
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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:11 am

Thank you so much. I feel like I learned too many things at once.
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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:55 pm

I missed something important, so I'll post another photo. A gouge line on the T on the trust, the die brake on the U, and the gouge line between the U and S, and another small die chip inside the S shape,
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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by ljs123 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:40 am

James LEE wrote:
Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:55 pm
I missed something important, so I'll post another photo. A gouge line on the T on the trust, the die brake on the U, and the gouge line between the U and S, and another small die chip inside the S shape,20210802_132429-1-1.jpg20210802_132429-1-1-1.jpg

It's nice how you are picking up on the details of your coin. This will help you get better at attributing your coins. The trick is to examine them and see them as they are, and not "see" what you hope to see on your coin. Most of us have projected what we want to see on a coin, just to finally admit that the coin is what it is and not always what we want it to be. ;)
The details that you noticed in ust of trust is just part of that VAM. It's not uncommon.

Please post a close up of your date that includes the bust point and rim. If you have to leave of the last 0 or two, that's okay.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:03 am

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by ljs123 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:08 am

I was hoping to have one of your really nice close ups of the date.
Is it possible to get one of your close ups? It is okay if it only includes the bust and the one, but please get the rim in it also.
Have you decided what VAM you have?

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:19 am

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by ljs123 » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:33 am

That is what I thought I would see.
So have you pinned down what O/CC VAM you have?

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:54 am

Am I wrong, it looks like 10. Well, it's really hard for me. Please help.

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Re: 1900,another O/CC LOW so different.

Post by James LEE » Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:26 am

I see,
I met a very scary teacher, thank you I learned a lot, it seems like "vam10a."
Thank you very much.

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