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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:08 pm
by vamsterdam
i think people are waiting for you to research it and tell them what you figured out. go to morgan vams by date, then click on 1899o and then start researching. ALL morgan dollars are vams, as someone previously stated. we don't get paid to attribute other people's coins.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:09 pm
by vampicker
You've got a bunch of secondary markers and not much that would get listed otherwise. There's no apparent doubling or repunching. No die breaks or even a crack pattern to tie it to later stages of varieties that are listed. That leaves you with date and mintmark position. The date is 'almost near' but would usually get called 'normal'. The mintmark borders on being within normal tolerance. If viewed that way, you've got a VAM 1 marriage. If you view this as 'slightly high', then VAM 43 is more likely. The lines in the wing neck gap are similar, so it may actually be an earlier stage of this. If this crossed my desk I'd be mostly likely to call it VAM 43.
VAMs can be frustrating to say the least, but if this piece serves to teach you the difference between secondary die markers and listable variety features, then this experience will prove invaluable over time.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 4:33 pm
by fogie
Correction - all Morgan and Peace dollars are VAMs (almost). Yes your dollar is a VAM but figuring out what VAM it is is the hard part.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:54 pm
by messydesk
Start with the date and mint mark. The date is in the normal position, and the mint mark seems to be slightly high. I don't see any repunched digits in the date and don't see a repunched mint mark. There might be some doubling on the left wreath, but maybe not. Other marks you are posting are just die polishing lines.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 1:14 am
by James LEE
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Struck
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DOUBLE STAR
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I see a few more.
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:34 am
by James LEE
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DOUBLE
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Double
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 9:19 am
by James LEE
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:32 pm
by James LEE
Weak, but I think there are a few missing, so I sent a few more pictures. Thank you.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 10:28 pm
by James LEE
Please, Now tell me how to find it, this coin still vam43?

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:42 am
by messydesk
Still VAM 43 by my reckoning.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 3:27 am
by James LEE
Thanks

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 12:01 pm
by Albannach
I see doubling.

Always start the journey with date and Mint mark, to start narrowing the search...

What you are calling a gouge, Leroy may call a scratch, depends on the day.

I see doubling Obv and rev.

What do you think you have there? VAM wise...

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 8:32 pm
by James LEE
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Gouge line, not a scratch.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:11 pm
by James LEE
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DOUBLE mint mark, no 1 DOUBLE.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2021 9:39 pm
by James LEE
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Gouge line, is not polishing lines.

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 1:22 am
by James LEE
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Sun Sep 26, 2021 2:28 am
by James LEE
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:28 am
by James LEE
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Gouge line is not a scratch.
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Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:16 am
by James LEE
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Small gouge
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Vam1,vam43 ? it's hard to admit :(

Re: 1899O,morgen gouge on Eyes

Posted: Tue Sep 28, 2021 7:36 pm
by James LEE
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