1879 O Reverse clash help

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1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:27 pm

Hello,

While I was searching for this clash and came up empty, on these discussion boards I found this old thread quoted below, It originally came in a 1980's holder typewritten label graded MS65 and I have to say it looks everybit to my untrained eye, But this clash bugged me and now I know a little more thanks to members, Can anyone suggest if this is not already a known VAM, should I send it in to be evaluated?? Or should it be graded first? or anything???

Thanks in advance

"Miss Liberty's hairline (mainly the "V" of her hair below the bun) between the Eagle's left wing (on your right as you are viewing the coin) and the Wreath. There are also facial elements (lips, chin and maybe more) between the Eagle's right wing and the Wreath. Also, there are remnants of Miss Liberty's neckline protruding from the middle of the Eagle's right wing to near the "n" in "In" of "In God We Trust" and there appears to be something to the Southwest of the feather fletching of the arrows." (Cited from: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/1879-o-ms65.27302/)
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ...kenny » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:38 pm

Hi! Try to attribute this one with a little help. Should be a good one...kenny

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sat Jun 26, 2021 2:11 pm

Hummmm,

After reading up more it seems only clashed letters on obverse and reverse are listed. So I guess the question to the members is this coin worth sending for attribution?? I personally think these are large and major design elements (spike top wing I think is her forehead) and MAYBE might make the grade.

Any suggestions would be helpful so I don't waste everybody's time.

I will add images of front and back since I am obviously not skilled at what to look for on the obverse.

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:09 pm

More pictures. The Reverse C3h die has some of these features but not all.
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:10 pm

one more
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ...kenny » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:54 pm

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:42 pm

THANKS Kenny,

So its her nose and lower lip on the wreath and neck line spike above wing.

Do you think these clashes are attributable??

Should I submit the coin,

Your thoughts.........

Thanks a bunch

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:10 pm

I dont know what you have in to it but looks about MS-64 to me. I personally like having all my Morgans Graded and in holders but thats just me .
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ...kenny » Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:56 pm

After you have tried to attribute yourself and aren't able to ID. I would send it to JB(VSS & messydesk here), or JR @ ANACS for an ID or recom to send it to LVA. That's my opinion...kenny
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:50 pm

I think maybe it is an early stage VAM-24. It has some of the same features PLUS I have hard time seeing letters lol. The overlay is genius LOL it helps A LOT thanks.....

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by bob259 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:12 pm

It appears to be high grade so I would get it to ANACS so you get grade and attribution.

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ...kenny » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:16 pm

IMHO...I don't see your VAM as an open 9. I'm curious about the lower loop of that 9 though. Does it have lines in it?...kenny
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by messydesk » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:20 pm

79-O is not an easy date to attribute. Most have some sort of doubling on the left side of the 9. Yours is the medium O mint mark. Other things to look for are doubling on the rest of the digits and the top of the Phrygian cap. The clashing is such that you might have part of the 'n' transferred to the front, but then you might not. Hard to tell from here.
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ljs123 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:00 pm

demetri wrote:
Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:50 pm
I think maybe it is an early stage VAM-24. It has some of the same features PLUS I have hard time seeing letters lol. The overlay is genius LOL it helps A LOT thanks.....

I would look somewhere besides VAM-24.
VAM-24 mm is lower than your mm.
Also the clash is in the wrong location for VAM-24.

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Sun Jun 27, 2021 10:26 pm

a quick attempt but Ill get better I promise LOL
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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:21 pm

Ready to ship to ANACS but they say if there is no known VAM it will come back without so I either have to find the VAM (which I can not) or send in for attribution BEFORE grading to include on label, UUuggghhhh so I guess the next step is attribution and hope for the best LOL

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ljs123 » Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:31 pm

demetri wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:21 pm
Ready to ship to ANACS but they say if there is no known VAM it will come back without so I either have to find the VAM (which I can not) or send in for attribution BEFORE grading to include on label, UUuggghhhh so I guess the next step is attribution and hope for the best LOL
The good news about sending it to ANACS for attribution and grading is that your coin will be in the hands of one of the best attributers there is. If JR says "there is no known VAM", then more than likely, you will have a DC (discovery coin). But I will be surprised if JR doesn't get the VAM listed on the label for you.
Best of luck.

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by demetri » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:18 pm

Yikes what to do, I am able to see a T and a very faint N << really hard to see and yet I cant find a VAM with same reverse. I also see the bridge of nose between leaves and slight doubling on a single leaf and reverse bow line. So you think ANACS will know what to do with it, the way the rep spoke it would be sent back plain and resubmitted if later found as a VAM. Really dont want to bother Mr Leroy Van Allen unless someone thinks its worth submitting for attribution.

Can anyone explain how to submit this coin to Mr. Leroy Van Allen, the stated policy is not very specific on return postage rates or needed information. Just dont want to mess it up LOL

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by bob259 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:19 pm

demetri wrote:
Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:18 pm
Really dont want to bother Mr Leroy Van Allen unless someone thinks its worth submitting for attribution.
Don't worry about bothering Leroy. If you have done all you can to identify it and can't, then Leroy is the guy. He loves Discovery Coins. I think ANACS should be the first step and have it attributed and graded. If JR can't attribute then off to Leroy it should go.

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Re: 1879 O Reverse clash help

Post by ljs123 » Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:46 pm

On this website you have access to two of the best Professional Attributers there are, JR (vampicker) at ANACS and JB (messydesk) at VSS ( http://www.varslab.com/vamseal.html ).
I think you have the contact information for ANACS.
Either one of them can attribute this coin correctly when it is in their hand. If they think that this is an unlisted clash with letter transfer, then they will likely be able to tell you what base VAM you have.
If you are looking for the least expensive and quickest way to figure this out, then my guess is that will be JB at VSS.

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