1883-CC Need Help Attributing

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1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:44 pm

I can't seem to but it all together for this coin. The 1st 8 in the date is doubled and has a fairly large die chip at the left where the loops join. There appears to be a die chip at the bottom left of the 1 but could be PMD. The MM is slanted and CC/CC. I don't see any polish line in the left wing but there is some doubling at the top of the wreath. The T in Liberty is doubled at the top left and there are a couple of horizonal polish lines around Her ear. Please offer any opinions and thanks for your help.
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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:47 pm

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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:53 pm

Full Pics will not down load , but I will retake them if needed.

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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by vampicker » Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:13 pm

Is there a dot like gouge near the denticles between the 2nd and 3rd right stars?
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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:14 am

vampicker wrote:
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:13 pm
Is there a dot like gouge near the denticles between the 2nd and 3rd right stars?
Is this the gouge you ask about? Sorry it took so long to reply.
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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by vampicker » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:36 am

Nope. Looks like you have a stage of VAM 3.
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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:50 am

vampicker wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:36 am
Nope. Looks like you have a stage of VAM 3.
Thanks for the help. I will look at Vam 3 again. My confusion is mainly the vertical lines around Her ear. Would they have been polished away in later stages?

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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by vampicker » Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:26 pm

Yeah, they get fainter in later stages. Nothing definitive jumped out in your pictures. It's more about what's not there. No line in the wing, so the VAM 5 series is out. The mintmark position eliminates VAM 4. It also doesn't look quite right for VAM 8 and the diagnostic scratch from the e of we doesn't show in your pictures. That leaves the reverse shared by VAM 2 and the VAM 3 stages. We established it's not VAM 2 because the 'dot' gouge isn't present. That leaves you with VAM 3, and from the look of it a later stage after the VAM 3A clashing fades. There are dio cracks illustrated in the large images of VAM 3A. See if they match your coin.
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Re: 1883-CC Need Help Attributing

Post by pete$298 » Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:34 pm

vampicker wrote:
Mon Jun 07, 2021 1:26 pm
Yeah, they get fainter in later stages. Nothing definitive jumped out in your pictures. It's more about what's not there. No line in the wing, so the VAM 5 series is out. The mintmark position eliminates VAM 4. It also doesn't look quite right for VAM 8 and the diagnostic scratch from the e of we doesn't show in your pictures. That leaves the reverse shared by VAM 2 and the VAM 3 stages. We established it's not VAM 2 because the 'dot' gouge isn't present. That leaves you with VAM 3, and from the look of it a later stage after the VAM 3A clashing fades. There are dio cracks illustrated in the large images of VAM 3A. See if they match your coin.
I believe with all your help we have narrowed it down to VAM-3. I now see the die cracks on the pics of VAM-3 that I can't see on 3A. Also the cap vee on the full reverse of 3 matches my coin(the 3A doesn't look the same). This isn't a great coin, with well circulated PMD and cleaning, but it is part of my Grandfather's collection so it is important to me. Thanks again for taking time to help.
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