Help Needed with 1878-S

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Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:39 am

Picked this up recently and can't match it. Thought initially it was a VAM 17 or in that family, but too many other things don't match up. Doesn't seem to match up to VAM 19, either. Too many other things to be an elusive VAM 2...

Can use some help here as I don't have the last couple supplements. It has the broken 4th star, and over polished hair, but they don't match the 17. Also has doubled LIBERTY, but while the 17's is doubled to the side, this one is doubled vertically. MM location doesn't match the 17 and there is a broken G and Tiust in the motto.

Obverse:
RMR 1878 s Doubled Star, Broken 4th Star 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Doubled Star, Broken 4th Star 6-2-2021.jpg (133.55 KiB) Viewed 1024 times
RMR 1878 s Obverse Date 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse Date 6-2-2021.jpg (153.62 KiB) Viewed 1024 times
RMR 1878 s Obverse Doubled Liberty 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse Doubled Liberty 6-2-2021.jpg (166.85 KiB) Viewed 1024 times
RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lips and nose 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lips and nose 6-2-2021.jpg (138.37 KiB) Viewed 1024 times
RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lower hair 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lower hair 6-2-2021.jpg (139.32 KiB) Viewed 1024 times
Will continue pics in the comments...
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:41 am

RMR 1878 s Obverse over Designer Initial & hair 6-2-2021.jpg
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RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lips and nose #2 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse over polished lips and nose #2 6-2-2021.jpg (154.43 KiB) Viewed 1023 times
RMR 1878 s Obverse Cap Rear 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Obverse Cap Rear 6-2-2021.jpg (128.57 KiB) Viewed 1023 times
As for the reverse:
RMR 1878 s Reverse MM DOL 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Reverse MM DOL 6-2-2021.jpg (157.43 KiB) Viewed 1023 times
RMR 1878 s Reverse Doubled Right Star 6-2-2021.jpg
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:43 am

RMR 1878 s Reverse Short Nock 6-2-2021.jpg
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RMR 1878 s Reverse Broken G 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Reverse Broken G 6-2-2021.jpg (118 KiB) Viewed 1023 times
RMR 1878 s Reverse Tiust 6-2-2021.jpg
RMR 1878 s Reverse Tiust 6-2-2021.jpg (113.03 KiB) Viewed 1023 times
RMR 1878 s Reverse Right Wing #2 6-2-2021.jpg
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RMR 1878 s Reverse Right Wing #1 6-2-2021.jpg
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by vamnuke » Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:53 am

102?

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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:20 pm

102 is close, but not a match. This seems to have bits and pieces of multiple different VAMs... it's driving me nuts!
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:56 pm

Also has some similarities to some of the attributes of VAM 99 and VAM 69, but only on a couple of PUPs, and not exactly a match on them. Looked at and ruled out VAMs 17, 44, 47, 74, 79 and 102. Again, some similarities, but other than the broken 4th star (which is probably a hub issue since it is on so many different dies) none are a match.

This may go into the Leroy pile unless I (with help here) can figure it out.
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by vampicker » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:18 pm

VAM 7 stage. Excellent pics of this by the late Norm Salter are on the page
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by Raybob15239 » Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:38 pm

That's it! Thank you for your help!
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Re: Help Needed with 1878-S

Post by tbconcrete » Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:59 pm

This reverse die has been around. Three different VAMs and subs on 46 . Nice pictures.

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