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keilg1
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Name that crack game

Post by keilg1 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 9:16 am

Picked up a NGC 64PL the other day... thought it might be a nice addition as I had a blank spot...

Saw some markers that pointed me in the right direction, but didn't readily see something on the obverse - had to get the light just right...

Name that crack? I know this might be very easy for some of you, but I'd appreciate the gurus to give the neophytes a chance to wrack their brains a bit before disclosing the answer.

;)
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Post by lured_in_again » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:27 pm

Think I got it.... When I rotated the photo 180 degrees in my brain, it got easier for me.

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Re: Name that crack game

Post by LorenAlbert » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:32 pm

I don't know about the crack, but, unless photographic trickery is in play, the doubling associated notching on the E is about the most pronounced that I have seen. I expect this VAM to be attributed on that basis.

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Post by keilg1 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:37 pm

Hee, @lured_in_again , that is part of the fun. Hard to see things when we're forced to look at a different angle.

@LorenAlbert , cool part is the E is for real. No trickery of the camera or light.

One of the many, many reasons I love this VAM.

Any guesses thus far (gurus excluded for now)?

:!: :?: :D
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Post by lured_in_again » Sun Apr 25, 2021 2:52 pm

Agree with that.... some of the best cherrypicks can come from coin listings that aren't oriented as we normally try to view them....

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Post by Bigbub » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:19 pm

I hate it when looking on the Bay and the photo is upside down. It's always the reverse. Sideways photos aren't quite as bad, but I always download and rotate the photos when I want a closer look. That's how my brain works. Now, if there was just a way to focus all those blurry pictures...

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Post by iwillbenice » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:32 pm

Down and dirty A.

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Post by vamtiques » Sun Apr 25, 2021 6:58 pm

If I were to guess, I'll guess 1888-O scarface EDS. Of course, it could be something quite different.

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Post by collectinsince65 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:37 pm

30a

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Post by keilg1 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 6:53 am

Thanks @iwillbenice and @collectinsince65 for not mentioning it outright.

@vamtiques - I'd have gone over the moon to have a 64PL Scarface for sure, but sadly as good as a guess as that was, that is still a hole to be filled. Die break at the dot does look similar, so you receive a consolation prize for the guess.

Thanks for playing along gurus because I'm sure you shot directly to the answer. Nice crack through the M as well as the extra talon, too, but disclosing these might have been too much information to allow the game to play...

Thanks for the weekend joy - wishing the week remains as nice.
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Re: Name that crack game

Post by collectinsince65 » Mon Apr 26, 2021 9:21 pm

@keilg1
I had an uneven advantage
I sold an example of this VAM on Sat
Shipped her to her new home this morn

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Post by HawkeEye » Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:12 pm

I have been on this track with the 1881-O for several years and have just about all known VAMs documented. I believe these cracks are as unique as fingerprints and find them especially helpful when working with dies.

https://www.1881o.com/vammatrix.html
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Post by keilg1 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 3:14 pm

@HawkeEye love the 1881O site... The matrix of cracks and breaks is amazing.

I've created an interactive PDF for myself around the 1878 8tf obverses and reverses with similar pictures. Really helps to navigate the massively damaged landscape and pinpoint a type in moments. Jumping from one obverse and reverse to the next by hyperlinks...

Pictures, including lines, speak thousands of words, eh?

Used the site you mentioned to verify that my 1881-O PCGS 63PL VAM-16 had the same cracks along the I-B-U on the obverse. Hadn't really seen them before. Noticed a ton of polish lines like the V in the first 8, one running from the denticle through the bottom loop of the second 8, and a TON more. The reverse is, obviously, a treasure trove of hills and valleys due to the wonderful overpolishing of the die...
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