Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

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Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:48 pm

If you have any VAM-4 or VAM-6 1887-S VAMs, can you check to see if your coin has the die gouge/scratch on eagle's right wing as shown in the VAM-1B VAM Plate? They may be hard to see or photograph. but they should be there.

Thanks in advance. Photos welcome.
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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by PacificWR » Sat Mar 13, 2021 2:41 am

I'll check and let you know. It may be a day or two.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by blh74 » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:16 am

I have two 1B and one 4. All have same reverse.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:11 pm

Just to clarify what I am looking for. The VAM listings have the three VAMs listed with a C3a reverse. This does not automatically mean they are the same. But that being said, they are the same reverse die on the three VAMs in this case.

The VAM-1B is listed for the die gouge/scratch on eagle's right wing. What I am trying to determine is whether that PUP is on all three VAMs, or did it show up during the die progression? The progression of the reverse die is as follows:

VAM-4, to VAM-6, to VAM-1B.

So is the PUP on VAM-4 or not, same with VAM-6? Which die pair did it first show up on, or did it start on the VAM-4 and continue thru the other two marriages? Photos of your VAM-4 and/or VAM-6 right wing would be helpful.

Keep in mind that if you have an attributed VAM-4, double check to make sure it is not a VAM-11. VAM-4 was listed way before VAM-11. VAM-4 is much harder to find than a VAM-11. I have seen VAM-11s in attributed VAM-4 holders. So please just double check that.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by PacificWR » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:37 pm

Alan,

I do not have a VAM-6, but I do have the VAM-4. My coin has heavy pitting in both wings, but I was able to take some photos of the polishing lines you were asking about. Check out the photos below.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:49 pm

Wayne, TY very much!!!! That seems to nail my question. If I have the progression correct, then the gouge/scratch would also be on the VAM-6. Your photos are awesome :D

If anyone wants to send coins to Leroy to update the VAM-4/1B listings, feel free to do so.

Would be nice to get confirmation on the VAM-6 also. Thanks again! Collaboration is key.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by PacificWR » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:06 pm

Your welcome Alan. I have a couple of 1887-S Morgan's on hold at the B&M Coin Gallery I go to. Not sure of the VAMs yet, but if one turns at to be a VAM-6 I'll let you know.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by fogie » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:29 pm

I just looked at my 87-S holdings and found 1 x VAM1B and 7 x VAM4 and no VAM6. All have the reverse marks as ask about.

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Re: Calling all 87-S VAMs-1B,4, & 6

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:08 pm

Thanks as always Brent!

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