Peace dollar Slanted reverses

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Lurch29165
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Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by Lurch29165 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 7:04 am

I have several peace dollars that have reverse strikings that are not horizontally aligned with the obverse. I have a 1922 that is significantly off horizontal alignment (as much as 15 to 20 degrees.)
I have several that with the obverse "IN GOD WE TRVST" leveled horizontally the "ONE DOLLAR" and all other markings on reverse are off the horizontal axis, some with DOLLAR tilted up, others tilted down
How significant are these slanted reverses and does it lend to or subtract from the value?

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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by Lurch29165 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:05 pm

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The 1922, 1923-S, and 1923-D showing the horizontal mis-alignment.
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The obverse showing that the "IN GOD WE TRVST" is horizontal.

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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by Geseas » Thu Mar 11, 2021 5:38 pm

@Lurch29165 You have peaked my interest, especially that 1922 you mentioned. I am a little confused on overlay business. Here is a photo attempt of what is considered/accepted a +5 degree overlay:
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...it is about 5'. (I put a protractor on the screen)

Note: my drawing above needs redoing...this is not horseshoes :D

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... y_%2B5.jpg
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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by Lurch29165 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:01 pm

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This shows the reverse offset from horizontal. The angle appears to be 14-15 degrees. I did the same, protractor on screen to measure the angle of offset.
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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by RogerRock » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:19 pm

According to posted images, your 1922 P Peace Dollar displays a minor rotated reverse of around 10 degrees counter clockwise. Rotated dies less than 15 degrees don't bring any premium. Major rotated dies of 90 degrees or more bring significant premiums. Die rotations are measured on a 180 degree scale as either clockwise (cw) or counter clockwise (ccw). Full 180 degree rotated coin dies are called medallic alignment.
The terms coin alignment and medal alignment signify opposite (coin alignment) and identical (medal alignment). Care must be taken in positioning the obverse with IN GOD WE TRVST perfectly horizontal in order to accurately measure the degree of rotation on the reverse.

Horizontal misalignment is made in reference to off-center hammer die position relative to the anvil die. When the hammer die is misaligned horizontally, the design will be slightly off-center on that side of the coin while the design is still centered on the opposite side.
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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by Lurch29165 » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:34 pm

RogerRock wrote:
Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:19 pm
According to posted images, your 1922 P Peace Dollar displays a minor rotated reverse of around 10 degrees counter clockwise. Rotated dies less than 15 degrees don't bring any premium. Major rotated dies of 90 degrees or more bring significant premiums. Die rotations are measured on a 180 degree scale as either clockwise (cw) or counter clockwise (ccw). Full 180 degree rotated coin dies are called medallic alignment.
The terms coin alignment and medal alignment signify opposite (coin alignment) and identical (medal alignment). Care must be taken in positioning the obverse with IN GOD WE TRVST perfectly horizontal in order to accurately the measure the degree of rotation on the reverse.

Horizontal misalignment is made in reference to off-center die position relative to the anvil die. When the hammer die is misaligned horizontally, the design will be slightly off-center on that side of the coin while the design is still centered on the opposite side.
Thank you RogerRock. My blowing up the photo and measuring it had it coming in at 14 to 15 degrees ccw. My curiosity has been answered, wish it was a few more degrees off though. All of my other Peace dollars are less off than the 1922.

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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by RogerB » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:50 pm

Good information, RogerRock!

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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by jsmith5500 » Wed May 19, 2021 8:23 pm

Hello RogerRock
I have just gotten back my 1922 Peace Dollar MS63 Rotated Die 110 degrees CW from PCGS ... is there any information on the rarity of this coin in this state and degree of rotation ? ...
Been looking for some time and just came across this post ..
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Re: Peace dollar Slanted reverses

Post by RogerRock » Wed May 19, 2021 11:38 pm

ROTATEDDIES.COM has a list of United States Coins with Major Die Rotation of 90 - 180 Degrees. The 1922 Peace Dollar is listed with a 100 degrees CCW and 180 degrees rotation as an R6 Rarity (13 - 30).
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