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1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:50 pm
by TPugmire
Just checking that this is in fact a Vam 166 Spiked P.
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Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 6:51 pm
by TPugmire
Last picture.
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Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:06 pm
by DHalladay
No IMO.

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:14 pm
by TPugmire
Why?

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:16 pm
by TPugmire
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Oh n here is the S

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:21 pm
by shortnock
a few more photos might help identify.

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:34 pm
by Vam-mysterio
Try vam 160

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:37 pm
by Vam-mysterio
Can you post a picture of the R (trust)

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:48 pm
by TPugmire
Here are other photos. I don’t think it’s 160 I don’t see double in the stars.
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Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:50 pm
by TPugmire
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Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:02 pm
by Vam-mysterio
tpugmire:
Take a closer look at your coin ,
Take your time,
Concentrate on the reverse first,
Your rev with the repaired R matches v160,
Then try the obverse,
And try to match it against the diagnostics of the vam 160 page

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:44 pm
by TPugmire
This is why I came to ask you guys. I take my time and look over everything I can.
I wouldn’t post if I hadn’t looked over it all.
Vam 160 says stars are doubled.
Mine are not. Hence me coming here to ask you guys your opinion.
160 says the u is doubled
166 plainly calls out the metal gashes in the U which it has.
So I’m not sure what I’m missing here
I just go down the list and go by the call outs of each one and if it’s on the list I continue. If not I go to the next vam.

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:56 pm
by TPugmire
Think I’m not cut out for the vam world.
Now I see why someone had said they been on them for 8 years and still learning.
It’s a completely different language and super confusing.
Was fun and thanks for the assistance guys.

Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 9:58 pm
by DHalladay
TPugmire wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:14 pm
Why?

Because your coin has a broken base of the D in DOLLAR, while VAM 166 has a full D:
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At that point I stopped looking at other diagnostics. But when I did later, I saw that your coin appears to have only a minimally broken R in TRUST, whereas in a 166 it is pronounced:
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The doubling you show in the P and U of PLURIBUS are less distinctive and 'sharp' than is the case on VAM 166, and the 'doubling' you show on the top/right outside of the 1 in the date doesn't look like doubling at all to me. Here are shots from my PCGS-attributed XF45:
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Re: 1878-P 7Tf Vam 166? Just want your guys opinion.

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 3:12 pm
by vamnuke
Overall the 1878 model year is tough to attribute since there are so many subtleties.

Agree yours is V160.

As for the B2 1878 P set, there are two coins that have a "repaired" r in the arm of the 'r' that being VAM 160 & V113.

V160 and V118 share the same obverse. When a coin shares an obverse or reverse, its always good to look at both listing pages.