1898-O Cracket Bonnet

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1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:16 pm

Hoping for assistance in identifying the VAM.
1898-O Cracked Bonnet EOO_8412.jpg
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1898-O Liberty EOO_8400.jpg
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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by messydesk » Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:07 pm

VAM 12, maybe. Look more closely at the 2nd 8.
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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:36 pm

Maybe VAM-12 but an alternative stage than shown, for example there is a lack of file lines between the neck and left wing. "Cracked" bonnet dothn't appear it photos documenting VAM.
1898-O 98 EOO_8417.jpg
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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by ljs123 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:50 pm

Take a look at 5.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by DHalladay » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:28 pm

What's a Cracket Bonnet?
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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:56 pm

The mm matches VAM-12, maybe the coin is a late die stage of VAM-12 where the bonnet "cracked" (cracketed) and some file lines were cleaned up, is my best guess, for today. So, "RAW MS63 VAM-12-mbg" it is.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:00 pm

RAW 1898-O MS63 VAM-12b Cracketed Bonnet

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by blh74 » Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:22 pm

Great photos.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:13 am

Camera is screwed, shooting fully closed, can't open the aperature wider, doesn't hold a focus, most photos here are out of focus. I think the heat builds up and affects the sensor.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by fogie » Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:26 am

Good match for the VAM 12. The "long die break" really locks her in and I suspect would be easier to get listed. =The bonnet crack is really common and does not warrant listing but if you get displaced fields - LVA will list those. I have a total of 14 of these with varying degrees of cracking - from none to what looks like a great match for yours (not enough to call displacement).

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by messydesk » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:29 am

In my opinion, if you're going to look for listings from displaced field breaks, you should have to send in one without the break to demonstrate that it might actually be worth listing. Distinction without a difference is not something that should be in the catalog.
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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:40 am

fogie says he has 14 with the bonnet break, says it is well known, should maybe then get a photo of a bonnet break and add it to the VAM-12 listing to show the die state or stage. Please don't use my photo, it isn't clear.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:00 am

fogie says "Good match for the VAM 12. The "long die break" really locks her in and I suspect would be easier to get listed." But I have a 1898-0 VAM-16 with a nearly identical long break at that right hand obverse side, cutting through the hair in the same location.

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Re: 1898-O Cracket Bonnet

Post by Flat-Chested » Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:12 pm

Messydesk: "In my opinion, if you're going to look for listings from displaced field breaks..." No, I am just trying to identify the VAM and thought the breaks might help in the process, but even with the bonnet break being common and known, apparently (ask fogie, he has "fourteen" VAM-12's with the bonnet break to different degrees), it is not documented (no photographs posted in the listing) and therefore makes it exceedingly difficult for me to VAM the coin.

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