1921-P with nice N-clash

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1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:56 pm

JB alerted me to this one in my latest PCGS bulk submission (1921-P VAM 3FT)... a coin I broke out and dipped because of ugly toning and a badly chipped holder... and recommended it go to LVA for inspection. One of my other 3FTs has a trace of clash, but it's nothing like this (and the EDS coin has nothing). Thanks for the heads-up! :D

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by vamnuke » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:24 am

8-)

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by weth » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:48 am

Pretty! Both of my 3FT must be EDS - no clash, no trace of that neck die break you show.

Seems like we might have a VAM 3FT2 in our future...

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:01 am

Nice. Im a sucker for a well clashed 21. Call me crazy 😜
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:37 am

CascadeChris wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:01 am
Nice. Im a sucker for a well clashed 21. Call me crazy 😜

I believe that has already been done... many times. :lol:
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:35 pm

DHalladay wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:37 am
CascadeChris wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:01 am
Nice. Im a sucker for a well clashed 21. Call me crazy 😜

I believe that has already been done... many times. :lol:
:lol:

Clashing, rev pitting, a FF mark through the A, and the fishy are basically the only things I VAMscan for with 21p
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:04 pm

weth wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:48 am
Pretty! Both of my 3FT must be EDS - no clash, no trace of that neck die break you show.
Seems like we might have a VAM 3FT2 in our future...

Tom:

I also think 3FT2 may happen.

Do either of your coins have either/both of these two cracks? They are on both my MDS (n-clash) and LDS examples, but not my EDS coin. My MDS and LDS coins also have a filled G in God:
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My LDS coin also has an interesting A in STATES:
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by Mhomei » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:15 pm

Nice
Is there a acorn on the reverse?

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:26 pm

Mhomei wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:15 pm
Nice
Is there a acorn on the reverse?

That's not a Chris joke is it? :lol:

No... no acorn. The clashing on this coin is weird. There's a decent clash line up from the right wing to In, but there's nothing next to the left wing or to the right of the left wreath. And there's nothing around Liberty's lips or behind her cap.
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by weth » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:57 am

Hi Dennis,

No, neither of my examples have any trace of either die break, nor the gouges at the A; one of them, though, has an otherwise interesting small struck-thru area at that same A. It's also the "VAM 3FF discovery coin" if that's ever of interest for the sake of reference and comparison.

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Confirmation just in from LVA... this coin is the new VAM 3FT2.

Interestingly, it's a mid die state of 3FT, as the clash is not present on the EDS example I sent to LVA, and only a trace of clashing (no letter transfer whatsoever) is on the later die state example I also sent.
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Nov 15, 2020 9:31 pm

I like it . In case you do not want it haha
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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by DHalladay » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:29 pm

LVA liked this photo I sent him of a threadlike impression (?) that starts at the cap fold on what is now the VAM 3FT2... and it's also present on both earlier and later die state examples of 3FT that I sent him. He's going to include a photo of this feature in his 2020 Revisions update.

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Re: 1921-P with nice N-clash

Post by messydesk » Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:48 pm

This is a good marker, since the scribbles fade to nothing pretty quickly on this one.
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