Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

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Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by mark » Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:38 pm

I don't believe VAM's 130 or 185 exist. Can anyone show me evidence they exist? :roll:

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by vamnuke » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:06 am

Nope; empty nest; there may be a few old small ANACS holders attributed as such though. Any I’ve seen or owned have all had a suffix; but LVA won’t de-list. Strike those two holes off your B2 set..

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:49 am

Having done die studies and having tried to get a "complete" VAM set of the die study series, it is annoying at the least when there are empty nester's (red-haired step-children") that will never be delisted. Thus, "holes" will occur in the "complete" set. But if you want a complete clashed E set, you can ignore the 89-CC VAM-4A apparently if you participate in the SSDC Registry. Too bad the rest of us can't eliminate the red-haired stepchildren in series that we have studied in the Registry.

So ask me how I really feel.

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by ashmore86 » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:43 pm

all you need to do is send an example of the 4a to LVA that has the clash and is of high enough grade to delist. piece of cake, right?

I can assure you complexities exist in getting coins delisted..

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by weth » Wed Sep 30, 2020 2:59 pm

mark wrote:
Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:38 pm
I don't believe VAM's 130 or 185 exist. Can anyone show me evidence they exist? :roll:
You mean like this?

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Unfortunately, they're a VAM 131C2 and VAM 186B, respectively. I keep wanting to load them into the SSDC just to "fill those holes" but alas, I cannot bring myself to do it, given that they're not what they say they are.


I think killing a "normal" die is especially hard for LVA. When I did the 1899P die study, even when presented with a full set of available business strikes, he was unwilling to kill the VAM 1 for "sentimental reasons". Fortunately in that case, VAM 2A was also listed as VAM 1 Die 1. Sometimes it just takes some persuasive talk in order to get an empty nest killed; I was surprised at the ease with which LVA killed the 1885-O VAM 8 when I claimed that they were all likely VAM 23s. But "normal" dies are different. There are no discovery coins to go back and check, so I think the 1878P VAMs 130 and 185 will always be part of his nomenclature.

Now Alan, you have a different case. He saw a coin in 2003 and he saw an E. It would likely take him reexamining that specific coin again, with counterexamples, in order for any delisting of the 89CC VAM 4A to take place.

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by mark » Wed Sep 30, 2020 4:15 pm

Thanks for the comments and confirmation.

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by vamsterdam » Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:42 pm

I have an 1889o vam 4 clashed pcgs50. I want to send it to leroy but i have a buyer who keeps jerking me around long enough, every week for 2 months. JR has seen and has urged me to send it to leroy to kill this cursed thing.

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Re: Proof of existence? VAM-130 or 185? (1878)

Post by lured_in_again » Mon Oct 05, 2020 8:21 pm

I have an 1891 o VAM 4a in an ANACS holder that I would love to use to fill the SSDC empty spot (that likely doesn't exist)..... but since it is an 1890 o, I can't make myself fill that empty slot either..... LOL

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