1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

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Mike7E
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1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mike7E » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:31 pm

1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clashed die with n transfer. Doubled arrow top, rear stars, some leaves, dot at top of olives
1 - Minor doubling right side of vertical shaft
8 - slight doubling right, left and lower left outside of upper loop
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7 - slight doubling under crossbar, right top and lower left of vertical shaft
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9 - tripled mid-left outside and doubled right inside both sides of upper loop. Surface doubled left outside top of lower loop, doubled left inside of lower loop. Slightly open 9 variety
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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mike7E » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:34 pm

Die break starting as elongated bust line extending towards rim
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Broken or damaged 1st star left, 3rd star right.
Clashed die at neck with n transfer (scratch over n)
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Doubling under chin and bottom of hair
Slight doubling bottom and inside lower right of ear, lump in hair behind ear
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Small dot die chip back section of eye, die scratches under eye
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Doubled L & I in LIBERTY
Most letters have ghost doubling in the luster
Reverse:
Doubling on some but not all of the Legend: Doubling center bar N, top right D, diebreak D to wing in UNITED. Top of crossbar S; base and inside left A, bottom second T, top of crossbar S in STATES. Inside crossbar M, right outside lower leg R, berry near E of AMERICA.
Doubling bottom O, bottom crossbar and right inside top A, inside and outside right leg R in DOLLAR
Doubled ‘w’ and ‘ust’ of In God we trust

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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mike7E » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:39 pm

Left side of left olive leaf in group closest to olives doubled, dot at top of olives, dot also on VAM-24A, VAM-53A, VAM-73A, VAM-75 (leaf doubling similar also), VAM-76 and VAM-108. May also be on VAM-50 die 2, VAM-55A,VAM-65A, VAM-76, VAM-83 but Full Coin Photos don’t have enough resolution. Not on VAM-1D, VAM-7B, VAM-12, VAM-41, VAM-48, VAM-49A, VAM-54, VAM-59, VAM-63, VAM-70, VAM-102A
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Many wreath leaves over-polished and disconnected, others doubled
Left star doubled several points & top right point mangled. Right star doubled towards rim and left two points
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Lowest arrow head broken doubling at top, lowest two arrow shafts doubled at top
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Die break left leg about ½ way down occurs on other reverse dies so it is probably a weak spot. Similar to but not the same as VAM-12, VAM-41, VAM-47, VAM-48, VAM-54, VAM-63, VAM-71, VAM107.
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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by jgrinz » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:31 am

Full size pictures of obverse and reverse would be helpful
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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mike7E » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:15 am

As before not very good resolution.
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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by ljs123 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:01 am

Can you take close up photos of any other clash marks?

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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mhomei » Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:16 pm

Looks like 24A
Check liberty for marker

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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by ljs123 » Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:53 pm

I would be surprised if it is a 24A.
I have a thought, but it would be nice to see close up photos of any other clash marks and cracks.

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Re: 1879-P Doubled Date, Tripled 9. Clash Doubled arrow, rear star leaves, dot at top of olives New VAM?

Post by Mike7E » Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:10 pm

Hi, Thanks for the feedback.

VAM-24A is closest but a little different than this coin. It was on my ‘Not’ list before the post as “Not VAM-24 as that has different lines in T of LIBERTY and reverse has polishing lines at left leg
Not VAM-24A (C3a) as clash slightly different, see clashes at right wreath and at n. Eye has some similar dots.”
Not seeing the bust point on VAM-24A makes it difficult to determine the location of the clash.

In addition to date doubling being different, this coin has a weaker clash going from eagle’s wing to east leg of n that touches n slightly to left of where the VAM-24A clash meets it (that one is almost at center). Also looks like three dots along the path of the clash in this one.
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Other rear clash between eagle’s left wing and right wreath is also a little different. The VAM-24A clash does not go as high against the left leaf as in this coin.
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LIBERTY also looks different VAM-24A has scratch marks across many letters, this one doesn’t and there seems to be a blob above the R in this one.
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Since I’ve got one more picture download to get to 5 here is the wing gap close-up mostly clear, some stains.
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Also, since this coin has driven me crazy since I got it a year and a half ago I have extracted all of the 1879-P reverse descriptions into a summary document. I can send a pdf or Word file if someone thinks it’s worth posting.

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