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1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 7:39 pm
by jgrinz
I see no picture on the VAM-24 - 1885-o page
Though it is mentioned and has a LVA document
BELLY BUTTON pic

Definitely odd and very visible without visual aids - Picture is straight from my phone.

Feel free to use as see fit.




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Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:15 pm
by jgrinz
Curious how many VAM's have this striking error

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:36 pm
by JASONKFLO
So is it a innie or outtie :lol:

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:45 pm
by jgrinz
JASONKFLO wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:36 pm
So is it a innie or outtie :lol:
That would be an innie ;)

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:03 pm
by PacificWR
I'll add the photo to the VAM page.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:08 pm
by dave700x
Very interesting. I never knew...

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:30 pm
by lured_in_again
Got back an 1891 o with the belly button designation from a submission to ANACS last year. I'd have to look and see what the VAM number was. If I remember correctly it was in MS 60 or 61. I did request the designation on the submission form.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:05 am
by PacificWR
Photo has been added to the VAM page.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:20 am
by messydesk
jgrinz wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 8:15 pm
Curious how many VAM's have this striking error
They tend to show up on the later date ones, but any issue that's known for bad strikes can have them. They're not so much striking errors as striking deficiencies, although they could also be caused by being struck through schmutz. Definitely not something to use in an attribution, though. How does the obverse look?

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:01 am
by jgrinz
@messydesk

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Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:23 am
by CascadeChris
I have a neat obv strike-thru v24 with the Bellybutton rev. A large piece of wire or something that mimics an H-10... I call it my "Happy Scarface." When I pull it out again I'll post pics here if I remember.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:27 am
by messydesk
Decent strike, so could be strike-thru or a planchet divot dead center.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:03 am
by jgrinz
V-24 PUP's from my coin



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Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:06 am
by jgrinz
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Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:56 am
by vampicker
A 'belly button' is not tied to any variety. It is not something in the die itself. It is a striking error. I believe the prevailing theory now is the dies were set slightly too far apart. There are other configurations of this phenomenon in other series, like the weird hourglass shape you occasionally find on the President's cheek on Kennedy Half Dollars. For Morgans, the 'belly button' is most commonly found in the New Orleans issues, and 1885 is by far the most common date.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:04 pm
by jgrinz
thx for the info

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:47 pm
by vampicker
Think they're kinda cool, thanks for sharing

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:38 pm
by jgrinz
vampicker wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:47 pm
Think they're kinda cool, thanks for sharing
I thought it odd that there was a letter from LVA about them and yet no picture.
It has one now :-)

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:33 pm
by CascadeChris
Wait, so the bellybutton isn't exclusive to v24? Good to know.

Re: 1885-o Morgan VAM-24 with Belly button.

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:14 pm
by jgrinz
CascadeChris wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:33 pm
Wait, so the bellybutton isn't exclusive to v24? Good to know.
" lured_in_again » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:30 pm
Got back an 1891 o with the belly button designation from a submission to ANACS last year. I'd have to look and see what the VAM number was. If I remember correctly it was in MS 60 or 61. I did request the designation on the submission form."

Seems not