is this rust?

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is this rust?

Post by all-who-wander » Tue Sep 01, 2020 11:58 pm

Is this pitting from rust on this 1897 P dollar? These come out from the surface of coin.

There is a big one right below the center tail feather. Others are in the N of ONE, above the E, and to the right of the O in DOLLAR.

It doesn't look anything like the rust on the VAM-1A Pitted Reverse.

If it is rust, would this qualify for a new VAM sub-letter?
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Re: is this rust?

Post by RogerRock » Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:12 am

Struck through debris, striking error. Couple more under A and E of AMERICA.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by messydesk » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:21 am

As a striking error, it would not be eligible to be cataloged.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by all-who-wander » Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:57 am

How is it not imprinted into the coin, instead of coming out of the field?

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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:20 pm

all-who-wander wrote:
Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:57 am
How is it not imprinted into the coin, instead of coming out of the field?
Welcome to this great site! Does it kind of look like this? http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... On_Ear.jpg

I think a lot is going on under the surface of a hardened working die. Unpredictable distortion, hardness migrations Metallurgical stuff people are just learning. Is it VAM worthy stuff? I do not know.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by all-who-wander » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:25 pm

Yes, it looks like that. It's coming out of the coin, isn't it? How would that happen?

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Re: is this rust?

Post by vampicker » Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:53 pm

Have you tried poking it with a stick?
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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:05 pm

vampicker wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:53 pm
Have you tried poking it with a stick?ion/quote]

if you decide to try a poking, please exercise caution. My last poke turned out to be a gas bubble on a Morgan that had somehow survived circulation: until I came along. It was not Vam/Leroy worthy but still interesting. I regret not not taking more care. This is just a thought that could prove to be a non-profitable use of the valuable time you have to spend with the Morgans.

NOTE: I have thought that I had found something unique and interesting on a coin; took a bunch of photos: only to have that interesting feature just.. disappear when my wife dusted the table.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by bjsilverfox » Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:40 am

That coin looks a lot like the 1882 CC I found. I finally decided it was struck through wood shavings.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:40 pm

all-who-wander wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:25 pm
Yes, it looks like that. It's coming out of the coin, isn't it?
Are you not sure it is 'raised' ?

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Re: is this rust?

Post by bjsilverfox » Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:30 pm

Geseas wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:40 pm
all-who-wander wrote:
Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:25 pm
Yes, it looks like that. It's coming out of the coin, isn't it?
Are you not sure it is 'raised' ?
I will have to look for it and take another look, but probably not. It seems to me that I found a couple wood fibers still imbedded on the coin.

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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:48 pm

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(1882 CC & 1897 P Morgans) The similarity in the area of field, top of wreath bow to tail feather bottoms. Could a Wood Chip strike-through be of similar size and orientation on two different coins?

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Re: is this rust?

Post by bjsilverfox » Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:19 pm

Geseas wrote:
Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:48 pm
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(1882 CC & 1897 P Morgans) The similarity in the area of field, top of wreath bow to tail feather bottoms. Could a Wood Chip strike-through be of similar size and orientation on two different coins?
The similarity does seem strange. I located my coin. I have it labeled reverse tail bar struck through wood. The observe of this coin also has a strike through at the bottom of the "1" in the date. The wood fragment is in the observe strike through.

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Re: is this rust?

Post by vampicker » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:20 pm

Think we're off in the weeds here. The coin in the original post most likely has nothing more than some lumps of glue or wax on the surface. Hence, the 'poke it with a stick' comment.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by RogerB » Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:22 pm

No.

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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:14 am

Thank you Vampicker and RogerB. I my have intruded on this post. An interesting topic.

@bjsilverfox May I bother you for a photo of the obv. of your coin? Can you see the wood fibers?
Thanks
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Re: is this rust?

Post by bjsilverfox » Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:36 pm

Geseas wrote:
Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:14 am
Thank you Vampicker and RogerB. I my have intruded on this post. An interesting topic.

@bjsilverfox May I bother you for a photo of the obv. of your coin? Can you see the wood fibers?
Thanks
Here you go. The wood fragment is in the bottom corner of 1 (one) left serif. While I was at it I took a new picture of the reverse strike through.
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Re: is this rust?

Post by Geseas » Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:14 am

Thanks for sharing bjsilverfox. Nice coin!

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