1888 AT or NT?

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1888 AT or NT?

Post by Jcuve » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:13 am

My numismatic experience is more centered upon copper, clad and more recent silver coinage. And I focus on varieties and errors - though the challenge of photographing whole coins does interest me. Looking at this 1888 Morgan, my view is it a cleaned circulated Morgan with artificial toning (AT) - I could be wrong though. The thing that bothers me the most is the lack of toning (especially on the obverse) high points.

I am limited on the file size, so my 45mb image is down to 2mb and then further compressed to 171kb. It is not mine, and I do not know the specific origin of the coin. Comments?
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by Jcuve » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:27 am

I am going to try and link a bigger image and see if that helps...

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by evensocome » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:47 am

Probably NT but they won't like it because the colors. You can make coins like that with fuming (where the spaces around the devices will be intact as with NT). You can make coins like this with a fairly simple fuming setup. The color spots lend to AT. But in theory, it could be NT. I'd have bagged it if crossed my desk back in the day. The more sophisticated doctors often AT coins that already have some toning, skin, or color to them, but this level of intrigue is usually reserved for money coins.

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:10 am

Not market acceptable (NMA)...
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by blh74 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:56 am

I just plain do not like it.

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by messydesk » Fri Aug 28, 2020 12:58 pm

AT. Lots of improbable color on this one. Vivid blue spots that look like chemical spatter, plum fields that survived additional circulation wear, fairly uniform colors on both sides, but in different amounts.
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by JASONKFLO » Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:01 pm

Great job on capturing the image what setup are you using if you don’t mind me asking
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by VamHelsing » Fri Aug 28, 2020 4:39 pm

Smells fishy to me. Pass...

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by Deloda » Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:29 pm

I ran across this 1881 that has similar color toning.

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by dave700x » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:04 pm

Deloda wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:29 pm
I ran across this 1881 that has similar color toning.

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Not even close to the easter egg posted above. This one is NT with the correct color progression and elevation chromatics. So nice that NGC gave it a star for exceptional eye appeal and mounted it reverse side up.
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by evensocome » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:35 pm

Deloda wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:29 pm
I ran across this 1881 that has similar color toning.

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Sans the green - which we now know how to synthesize as well - I would've bagged this coin as well. That said, it's not hard to get coins holdered by P or N with AT, so long as one is subtle and not greedy. Remember, a holder is NOT a promise that a coin is unmolested, it's an opinion that a coin is market acceptable.

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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by Jcuve » Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:56 am

Thanks for the replies. I agree the large number of different colors seems rather high. And like I said, the biggest concern for me, is how is it the uppermost parts of the coin and the rims/reeding have no tone. These areas would have supposed contact with an album or an envelope that outgassed and should have some sort of tone - they do not, and this is especially true of the obverse.

I also see a bunch of coins on eBay with similar colors...not a good sign.
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Great job on capturing the image what setup are you using if you don’t mind me asking
These were taken with a Nikkor enlarger lens and bellows assembly on a Sony AR7III. These were single shots with no stacking. I normally attach a separate larger screen for focusing via HDML cable - and would take more than one shot - but I was in a hurry. They'd be better if I spent more time and took 2-3 shots per side and stacked them in Photoshop later.
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Re: 1888 AT or NT?

Post by pete$298 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 11:31 pm

Interesting post! Great pictures! Seems more AT IMHO.

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