just won this 80 p

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just won this 80 p

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:25 pm

just picked this one up. Nice looking coin . I picked it up due to all the clashing. I will get more pics once she arrives but does anyone have some possible vam's I should start looking at or narrowing down to based on these pics? thinking there may be some clashed letters in there at neck and back of cap but may just be the lighting on the coin.
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by ljs123 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 5:45 pm

Nice clash
Check out VAM-50A.

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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:43 pm

thanks yeah that one looks close as far as what I can see, I can't wait to get the coin and investigate further
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Post by messydesk » Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:43 pm

Most dates have a "Sort by Clash" or some similarly worded link in the list of additional guides. I would go there first.
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by ljs123 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:10 pm

Of the clashed 80-Ps, the 50A is in the top three that I see most often. It can be found in MS-66.

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Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:20 pm

thanks for the info. Does vam 50a have a clashed E?
on VAMWorld it says phantom clashed E
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Post by alefzero » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:33 pm

For serious potential for an E clash transfer there should be eye visible clash transfer in the field along the top edge of Liberty's cap and a cotton blossom transfer between the wing and the arrowheads. You see that, and definitely look for a partial E. Phantoms are more often die wear, contact marks, or tone variation.

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Post by CascadeChris » Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:56 pm

alefzero wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:33 pm
For serious potential for an E clash transfer there should be eye visible clash transfer in the field along the top edge of Liberty's cap and a cotton blossom transfer between the wing and the arrowheads. You see that, and definitely look for a partial E. Phantoms are more often die wear, contact marks, or tone variation.
Are there any E's known without (or very little/faint) cap clashing? 🤔
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by lioncutter » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:12 pm

The 1878 P VAM 84A has very faint if any cap clashing.
I have a 1884 O VAM 30A that has cap clashing but no "E". It is a phantom "E" for sure. Maybe the early clashing die state might be visible for the "E" reverse. ;)
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Post by ljs123 » Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:23 pm

lioncutter wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:12 pm
The 1878 P VAM 84A has very faint if any cap clashing.
I have a 1884 O VAM 30A that has cap clashing but no "E". It is a phantom "E" for sure. Maybe the early clashing die state might be visible for the "E" reverse. ;)
1884-O VAM-7 also has cap clash with no E.

I don't remember(could be wrong) the 80-P VAM-33A or 1887 VAM-1B having cap clashing.

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Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sun Aug 02, 2020 11:19 pm

Won't swear that everyone would agree with what is in the Scorecard, but it does demonstrate basic attributes.
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Post by ljs123 » Mon Aug 03, 2020 3:57 am

Very nice chart Alan.

Just to be clear, I was referring to the strong obverse clashing above the cap that is commonly seen on clashed Es.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear before.

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Post by JASONKFLO » Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:22 pm

I’ll definitely get some better pics once she arrives . It’s hard to make out any details besides the main clashing I’m seeing .
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by messydesk » Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:48 pm

JASONKFLO wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 9:20 pm
thanks for the info. Does vam 50a have a clashed E?
on VAMWorld it says phantom clashed E
That needs to go. VAM 50A does not have a clashed E. "Phantom E" has always essentially meant, "I want to see an E there, but I can't point it out or photograph it, and nobody else can see it, either." If someone can actually get a decent picture of an E on the VAM 50A reverse, the coin should go to Leroy for a revision.
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by JASONKFLO » Mon Aug 03, 2020 8:11 pm

Thanks John . This one will be coming to you at some point haha along with the others . A lot of the coin details are washed out on the photos . If this one had a clashed e I’d probably drive it over and hand deliver it haha. I’ll be curious on this coin what other things are going on once I can get better look at it.
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:50 pm

yep thinking this is vam 50A , it does appear to have a small clash near the top of the cap however nothing where a potential e would be
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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by LorenAlbert » Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:31 pm

Nice coin. If that is a cut wreath stem clash I see at the folded wheat leaf, it does not go with the wing clash at the jaw line. I would like to have a copy of that coin in hand. Nice.

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Re: just won this 80 p

Post by JASONKFLO » Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:07 pm

LorenAlbert wrote:
Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:31 pm
Nice coin. If that is a cut wreath stem clash I see at the folded wheat leaf, it does not go with the wing clash at the jaw line. I would like to have a copy of that coin in hand. Nice.
I tried to get some close ups
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