1880 P Reverse "E"

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Dirtdoctor
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1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Dirtdoctor » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:17 pm

I ran across this 1880 P and noted what appeared to be a partial "E" on the reverse, but the coin is not a 39a (no wreath break) and not a 33a (no scratch between E-D). Additionally the indication is located just a bit NW of where those are found. Coin is in rough shape, but I could not take my eye off of the indication. I see no clear indication of other counter clashes, but I need to ask anyway.

I've included obverse and reverse pics, a Micro-capture from my scope, and a tweaked capture-photo to present if more clearly. You cannot really see it in the full coin pic (taken from my iPhone). I then inset a pic of the Vamworld E Clash 88-O for perspective (its "E" is closer to the location on this coin).

Comments please - Is this worth submitting?

As always, thanks.
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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by DHalladay » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:19 pm

I don't see it.
When in doubt... don't.

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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by indian4 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:34 pm

I don't see it either. My eyes are a little old even if they are cute.
I hate this fracking coin...for now

Dirtdoctor
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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Dirtdoctor » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:35 pm

See markup.
Thanks so much for quick reply. Much appreciated.
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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Tekkie1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:36 pm

I see exactly what you're talking about but with no corresponding OBV or REV clashes , I can't see how this would be possible IF and that's a "BIG IF " its actually there.
I know seein' is believin' but well placed PMD or stain would is more likely the culprit.
I suggest PIWAS and/or an acetone bath.

Good luck though. :D :D

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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Tekkie1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:39 pm

In your last pics, I don't see the top bar . I do see half the backbone and part of the middle serif.

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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:52 pm

Try VAM-50A. Got faked out in my early years with it.
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Dirtdoctor
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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:00 am

I swabbed it with acetone. No noticeable change. See new pic and markup below.

I know its a long shot in light of no other clashes, and am prepared for a "no" answer, but I would always wonder if I did not ask.

I don't think 50a works as there are no lips counterclash, reverse letter doubling, or evident clash between n and G on reverse. I know that the absence of clashing is an issue, but its worth the ask.

Thanks again!
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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by ljs123 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:19 am

I see what you are talking about. I've held that VAM in my hands before, and there is no trace of an E. I believe that you are either seeing a fake E from toning, PMD, what looks like maybe the coin was cleaned, or a combination there of. From your photos, I'm not sure if you have a 35 or a 35A. But it's one of the two.

And if you want to see a 1880-P that looks like it could have a clashed E (but doesn't), keep watching. I will be posting hopefully in the next few days. ;)

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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by lioncutter » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:27 am

Looks like VAM 35A early die state maybe. Buffed obverse. With no other clashing, the possibility that it is a clashed E is highly unlikely. I would call it a phantom "E".
I may not be the best, but I do not know anyone better.

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Re: 1880 P Reverse "E"

Post by Dirtdoctor » Thu Jul 30, 2020 1:14 am

Thanks all. You’re a great group!

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