1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

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1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by alefzero » Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Since my coin is the one imaged for VAM-13 and there was the subsequent listing of the VAM-63, I thought I might clarify things a little.

The coin imaged there is indeed a VAM-63. it is unclear that there exists any other Very Far Slanted Date obverse pair of the date. Since the SSDC Registry has 10 VAM-13 registered, apart from mine, which will be moved to VAM-63, we cannot remove the VAM-13 from the Registry catalogue without due dilligence. Of course that would not affect the listings.

My coin, the one imaged for VAM-13, is an ANACS 65 that was confirmed as VAM-13 by LVA (prior to the VAM-63 listing), as I sent probably for a possible Phantom E. It was further attributed as VAM-13 by ANACS. Nonetheless, it bears the markers for the VAM-63. I will add them below along with a few other ones that are not listed. It also has reverse strike doubling notably on the right wing edge.

Doubled Ear
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Noted Die Scratch
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Strong Additional Die Scratch Marker
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Easy Clash Signature
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I have several other shots as well.

Anyway, if you have an 1889 VAM-13 that does not bear these markers (perhaps save for the clash), we should know and get it imaged for VAM-13.

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by hairfield1 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:52 am

So does this mean that I should check out my 2 VAM-13's against my 3 VAM-63's one being the discovery coin to see
if they match?

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by alefzero » Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:21 pm

hairfield1 wrote:
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:52 am
So does this mean that I should check out my 2 VAM-13's against my 3 VAM-63's one being the discovery coin to see
if they match?

Mike
Of course, but I assume you already did that. Might want to populate the VAM-13 page with images appropriate to the VAM-13, since mine there are of the VAM-63. It would be especially useful to be able to discriminate the different very far slanted dates. Sometimes doubled ears are not so discernable.

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by hairfield1 » Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:13 pm

Something told me to store my 544 Morgans by dates instead of just putting them containers.

Guess I'll separate them now........ :lol:

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by blh74 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:04 am

I have 2 V13 that are now V63. All the markers match. One has a nice crack all across the jaw. Should LVA see it?
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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by alefzero » Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:52 am

I am guessing that is a planchet defect. Only could assess in hand.

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by blh74 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:48 am

alefzero wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:52 am
I am guessing that is a planchet defect. Only could assess in hand.
I suppose that is possible. This damn covid has Long Beach shut down or I would see you there. Thanks for looking and I`ll bring it to LB for you to see whenever I can.

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by hairfield1 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:37 pm

I picked up a 1889 NGC MS 63 last week on the bay, got the coin today in the mail
it's a VAM-63, that makes my 4th.

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Re: 1889 VAM-13 vs VAM-63

Post by alefzero » Thu Jul 23, 2020 11:23 pm

Need to find a VAM-13 that matches the listing but is not a VAM-63. Otherwise, we can be pretty sure that they are the same and the original listing just simply didn't include the features of the VAM-63, which was par for the course at the time anyway. As a Philadelphia issue, alternate reverses really have not been studied for die pairings, unless they exhibit listable features like pitting or M clash transfers.

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