Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

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Mike7E
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Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mike7E » Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:38 pm

I have looked at just about every 1885-P VAM picture and can’t find this one. Also can’t find tutorial on posting pictures to new site. Have pics if someone can add for me or let me know how add or to save them on the site.

1885-P
Obverse: Normal date. 1 slight doubling right side of vertical shaft & bottom of upper crossbar, first 8 slight doubling bottom outside lower loop both sides, second 8 slight doubling bottom outside of lower loop both sides, doesn’t look like a dash but a tick mark, 5 doubled underside right of flag. All stars slightly doubled. LIBERTY: L doubled right and bottom, die chip bottom inside of E, Y top right upright deteriorated, die scratch (or coin scratched?) from above Y through the left side. Lower part of left cotton leaf deteriorated, appears as blob at top left of left cotton blossom. Minor doubling top right side of right cotton blossom. PLURIBUS: L doubled bottom, B broken or damaged at bottom, S doubled top of mid loop. Line mid side of Cap?. Very slight clash mark or two at neck, not listable. Tripled ear at bottom.

Reverse: C3b Broken arrow feathers/shaft. Only three listed on the VAMWorld page none of which are exact matches. Closest is VAM-21 but there are some similarities or differences as follows: Like VAM-21 at the broken arrow feathers/shaft but missing two markers shown on that picture. Chips near leg in right wing and left wing leg gaps identical to VAM-21. Doubling at bottom 6th & 4th tail feathers, lines between 3rd - 2nd feathers and 2nd - 1st feathers also line 1st feather to olive branch, this is different than VAM-21. Die break upper edge of F to wing in OF same on both. Die break upper edge of F to wing in OF same on both. AMERICA: Arched die break wing to near top of A is same on both but this reverse has doubling left mid line in M that is not on VAM-21. VAM-21 has doubling/tripling in CA but not there on this reverse. Right side of wreath loop doubled, minor lines in wreath minor doubling inside top and sides. Chatter about 1/3 of way up across neck/wing gap, looks like little gouges more than lines and may be the same as VAM-21 but pictures not good enough to be sure. VAM-40 Has die polishing lines lower and more distinct as lines than this reverse and VAM-22 die polishing lines are also distinct and go all the way from bottom up about 1/3 of way so neither matches this reverse.

Thanks in advance for help.

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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mhomei » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:07 am

There 3 known die pairings of V26
Yours sounds like D2.

But you will need pics, its virtually
Impossible to verbally attribute a variety by
Your written description.

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mike7E » Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:51 pm

I have pics, just don't know how to post them.

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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by ljs123 » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:09 pm

If you know how to do a PM here, contact me we can swap email addresses. I'll post them for you.
Lee

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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mike7E » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:22 pm

Here are the pictures with help from Lee, Thanks Lee

Normal date, Doubled first left star, 18
M7E_1885-P Normal date first star doubled.jpg
M7E_1885-P Normal date first star doubled.jpg (188.95 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
85 & Right Star
M7E_1885-P 85 right star.jpg
M7E_1885-P 85 right star.jpg (194.21 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Doubling L in LIBERTY
M7E_1885-P L in LIBERTY.jpg
M7E_1885-P L in LIBERTY.jpg (201.91 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Die Chip E in LIBERTY
M7E_1885-P Die Chip E.jpg
M7E_1885-P Die Chip E.jpg (213.14 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Deteriorated Y, line through Y and cotton leaf 'blob' at blossom
M7E_1885-P ERTY.jpg
M7E_1885-P ERTY.jpg (198.82 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Bottom of L doubled in PLURIBUS
M7E_1885-P ERTY.jpg
M7E_1885-P ERTY.jpg (198.82 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
B broken or damaged in PLURIBUS
More in next post (5 pictures seems to be the limit.)

Mike7E
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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mike7E » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:29 pm

Reverse Pictures
Doubled arrow/shaft
M7E_1885-P Dbl arrows_shaft.jpg
M7E_1885-P Dbl arrows_shaft.jpg (199.19 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Tail feathers doubling and marks
M7E_1885-P tail feathers.jpg
M7E_1885-P tail feathers.jpg (196.91 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Doubled M in AMERICA
M7E_1885-P AME.jpg
M7E_1885-P AME.jpg (218.12 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Minimal doubling CA in AMERICA
M7E_1885-P CA.jpg
M7E_1885-P CA.jpg (224.96 KiB) Viewed 2284 times
Wing gap closeup
M7E_1885-P Wing Gap closeup.jpg
M7E_1885-P Wing Gap closeup.jpg (193.15 KiB) Viewed 2284 times

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Re: Help with 1885-P C3b Rev and Pictures

Post by Mike7E » Tue Jul 14, 2020 9:34 pm

Doubling in Date
M7E_1885-P Date.jpg
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Double or Triple bottom ear, inside too? Scratch top of curl
M7E_1885-P Ear.jpg
M7E_1885-P Ear.jpg (220.68 KiB) Viewed 2282 times

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