1923 Unlisted Die Break?

[Pareidoliac]

Is this an unlisted die break or not a listable feature? It is not listed as a die break variety. Could this break be a diagnostic in another '23 VAM that I am just not finding?

[evensocome]

Looks familiar. Not listable, but definitely a lock die marker on the vam it belongs to. Can't remember which one it is off the top of my head - I'm sure vampicker or messydesk will know.

[Mhomei]

Appears to be EDS of 1CG
Do you have reverse pics?

[pup_picker]

Appears to be EDS of 1CG
Do you have reverse pics?

the crack at the tip of the bust is too low for 1cg imo. if the obv image is correct on the page.

also the break at the back of the bun is in a diff position. - i had to double check because there was a chance it could have been an eds like you said.

[Pareidoliac]

I apologize for the delay in getting these reverse pictures posted.

[Pareidoliac]

I'm not clear on why the break on this 1923 is not listable. When I look at 1CG and 1DD, both with die breaks at the bottom of the neck, I don't see much difference and, if anything, the 1923 here has a more pronounced break with some silver oozing through a small spot in the line. Is it just not large enough to list? Thanks.

Also, let me know if the reverse photos help identify this VAM.

[Pareidoliac]

Here's another reverse photo.

[pup_picker]

i'm not saying there aren't any peace d/c with only the neck "crack(s)". generally that is not a listable feature on its own as too common/too minor.

crack vs break. a LONG discussed subject here. breaks are far more desirable and listable.

that said, your coin may have/need other features to accompany the neck cracks.

i'll look over the vams you mention and see if i have anything further to offer. depends on what images are on the pages.

edited:

do you have any discoveries yet?


edited after perusing the vams you mentioned.

1cg is listed because of the amazing reverse radial die break. the neck is shown for attribution/diagnostic purposes.

1dd, imo, is minor. leroy called it field displacement and that particular crack is quite different than most on the neck and is a borderline radial break going through a number in the date and thus more interesting and identifiable.

my personal comment about neck cracks on peace. there are SO SO SO many and are SO SO SO similar that if they were listed w/o some decent secondary pups, it would just be a nightmare. IE: 21 scribbles. they are doable, but have specialized guides and there still is no guarantee you won't go mad. - no offense to the scrib-heads.

[Pareidoliac]

Thanks for the reply. Answer to do I have any discoveries: no. Sent a couple to Leroy last year and/or 2018. Nothing of late.

[davidkclose]

What I see as possibly listable are the small die chip on the underside of Liberty's neck, a long die crack from the left side of neck into the field, and file lines on the reverse to polish off clash marks.
Of these, the only one I think Leroy would list would be the die crack, and then only if there is displacement across it. These he will list, even though there are many of them, look at 1923S.
Hope this is helpful,
David

[Sartre]

can anyone please tell me if they have seen this type of break as it appears as a triangle

[pup_picker]

can anyone please tell me if they have seen this type of break as it appears as a triangle

would you please start a new thread with the pics. thanks

[pup_picker]

Thanks for the reply. Answer to do I have any discoveries: no. Sent a couple to Leroy last year and/or 2018. Nothing of late.

yw

ok. that should have been my question is if you have submitted any coins for d/c consideration to vss or leroy. but you answered it also. ty

if you don't have a book or the supplements, they will aid GREATLY in sorting through and finding d/c more effectively and efficiently. of course things change from year to year on what leroy will or won't list.

use the attribution/sort guides on the pages. A LOT of work has gone into those and while they may take a while to learn to use, they are pretty amazing most of the time.

"Could this break be a diagnostic in another '23 VAM that I am just not finding?" ----- yes as the odds are it is a listed vam. also check for doubled initials on the obv below the neck. it looks like it from one of your images.

if you know how to bookmark or if you want to start making lists, you can create your own sorted guides. perhaps d/l hundreds or more images into folders. --- lot of work on the front end, lots of benefits on the back.

happy hunting!

[pup_picker]

Is this an unlisted die break or not a listable feature? It is not listed as a die break variety. Could this break be a diagnostic in another '23 VAM that I am just not finding?

came across this and thought of your coin. don't see them often listed with neck break and nothing else but it does happen. granted there aren't any plates and the description is incomplete but it looks like just a neck crack/break d/c.

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