Page 1 of 2

1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:10 pm
by twohawks
I picked the 2 coins below 2 days ago, more because of the deep gouge and heavier die scratch's than the later one. They both are VAM 17's kind of both have no denticles on the reverse are all left. The earlier one has something right on the neck line.

Very Interesting die progression!

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:01 pm
by LorenAlbert
Judging from the bust line only, compensating for softness in focus; same state, different stage. Agreed, interesting.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:42 pm
by vamnuke
Yes, VAM 17 is an interesting die life story...

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:57 pm
by rodmeader
I see the remains of the gouge on a VAM-17 that I acquired.
rtm_1878_S_110618f.jpg
rtm_1878_S_110618f.jpg (217.16 KiB) Viewed 1563 times
A much cleaner high definition copy of the above image can be viewed at the link provided below:

http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/S ... 10618f.jpg

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:16 pm
by LorenAlbert
VAM-17. Was the gouge worn away or polished away? Hard to compare the photographs, but based on the fineness of the crack at the bust point, Rod's coin appears to be the earlier minting. But, I suppose this is impossible if Rod's coin shows a remnant of the same gouge.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:58 pm
by rodmeader
I would think worn away rather than polished away. Later mintage seems right to me.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:12 pm
by LorenAlbert
Considering the progression of the 1883-O VAM-31 and 1883-O VAM-31A for the lines in the D void; the lines in the hair valley of the Rod's coin appear thicker. Thus, the later minting. Agreed.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:04 am
by twohawks
Here is a photo of the latest one I have found and I just bought it tonight. Look as how open the hair spacing is on this one!

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:27 pm
by LorenAlbert
Wow. Thanks for posting. I realize that there are hundreds of progressions to appreciate. By happenstance, I just happen to take an interest in this one. If possible, I would like to see the polishing lines in the hair valley for this coin. I know that others are practiced in estimating state according to the denticles. Me; not so much.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:02 pm
by colwillys
WoW for the coin and the broken 4th star . Nice coin for a Morgan :lol: :D .

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:53 pm
by rodmeader
This is a photo of my VAM-17C.
rtm_xDSC_7197.jpg
rtm_xDSC_7197.jpg (171.4 KiB) Viewed 1482 times
To view a clearer image, click on link provided below:

http://www.silverdye.us/wiki/pub/Main/S ... C_7197.jpg

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:26 pm
by vamsterdam
i have studied the vam17 eds-lds, a ,b, and c and vam 66, quite a bit and i don't remember the stage with the gouge! this has been quite topic here for a few weeks. had multiple talks with jeff oxman about them.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:35 pm
by lewisr2
I had a heck of a time getting the gouge remnant to show.
Not a good photo but I finally get the remnant to show.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:42 pm
by CascadeChris
Nice on Russ. My 17 (17c?) I cherrypicked it soely due to how much hair is missing. Wasn't familiar with the progression and when i saw the hair while flipping through boxes I had to put it in the buy pile. I was pleasantly surprised it was part of the 17 family when I had time to look closer as I remember reading about that progression when I was green and thinking it was so cool 😎

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:06 pm
by rodmeader
You definitely caught that feature. Sometimes it takes quite a few shots to capture what you want people to see.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:54 am
by pup_picker
i'd lean towards the gouge being polished away as between images 4 and 5 the hair around that area is also decreased but somehow we don't have polishing lines. i'm not saying they polished the die just for that gouge; i'm sure that is just a by-product. hard to see that much of the die being worn away on its own.

great images everyone.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:27 pm
by 78-sLongnock
Here is the Vam 17C discovery piece
The polish line is present

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:35 pm
by 78-sLongnock
Here is a Vam 17B that has the complete polish line

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:35 pm
by vamsterdam
IF, i cn get my pictures to come out right, i will try to post the eds that i have. stage 1.

Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:21 pm
by twohawks
Here are images of the V-17a that just cam in the mail, not quite sure why its not PL but its a very nice MS-63 with vary clear and strong denticles on the rev.