1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

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1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by twohawks » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:10 pm

I picked the 2 coins below 2 days ago, more because of the deep gouge and heavier die scratch's than the later one. They both are VAM 17's kind of both have no denticles on the reverse are all left. The earlier one has something right on the neck line.

Very Interesting die progression!
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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by LorenAlbert » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:01 pm

Judging from the bust line only, compensating for softness in focus; same state, different stage. Agreed, interesting.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by vamnuke » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:42 pm

Yes, VAM 17 is an interesting die life story...

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by rodmeader » Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:57 pm

I see the remains of the gouge on a VAM-17 that I acquired.
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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by LorenAlbert » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:16 pm

VAM-17. Was the gouge worn away or polished away? Hard to compare the photographs, but based on the fineness of the crack at the bust point, Rod's coin appears to be the earlier minting. But, I suppose this is impossible if Rod's coin shows a remnant of the same gouge.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by rodmeader » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:58 pm

I would think worn away rather than polished away. Later mintage seems right to me.

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Post by LorenAlbert » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:12 pm

Considering the progression of the 1883-O VAM-31 and 1883-O VAM-31A for the lines in the D void; the lines in the hair valley of the Rod's coin appear thicker. Thus, the later minting. Agreed.

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Post by twohawks » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:04 am

Here is a photo of the latest one I have found and I just bought it tonight. Look as how open the hair spacing is on this one!
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Post by LorenAlbert » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:27 pm

Wow. Thanks for posting. I realize that there are hundreds of progressions to appreciate. By happenstance, I just happen to take an interest in this one. If possible, I would like to see the polishing lines in the hair valley for this coin. I know that others are practiced in estimating state according to the denticles. Me; not so much.

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Post by colwillys » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:02 pm

WoW for the coin and the broken 4th star . Nice coin for a Morgan :lol: :D .

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by rodmeader » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:53 pm

This is a photo of my VAM-17C.
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Post by vamsterdam » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:26 pm

i have studied the vam17 eds-lds, a ,b, and c and vam 66, quite a bit and i don't remember the stage with the gouge! this has been quite topic here for a few weeks. had multiple talks with jeff oxman about them.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by lewisr2 » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:35 pm

I had a heck of a time getting the gouge remnant to show.
Not a good photo but I finally get the remnant to show.
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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by CascadeChris » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:42 pm

Nice on Russ. My 17 (17c?) I cherrypicked it soely due to how much hair is missing. Wasn't familiar with the progression and when i saw the hair while flipping through boxes I had to put it in the buy pile. I was pleasantly surprised it was part of the 17 family when I had time to look closer as I remember reading about that progression when I was green and thinking it was so cool 😎
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Post by rodmeader » Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:06 pm

You definitely caught that feature. Sometimes it takes quite a few shots to capture what you want people to see.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by pup_picker » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:54 am

i'd lean towards the gouge being polished away as between images 4 and 5 the hair around that area is also decreased but somehow we don't have polishing lines. i'm not saying they polished the die just for that gouge; i'm sure that is just a by-product. hard to see that much of the die being worn away on its own.

great images everyone.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by 78-sLongnock » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:27 pm

Here is the Vam 17C discovery piece
The polish line is present
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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by 78-sLongnock » Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:35 pm

Here is a Vam 17B that has the complete polish line
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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by vamsterdam » Fri Jun 12, 2020 3:35 pm

IF, i cn get my pictures to come out right, i will try to post the eds that i have. stage 1.

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Re: 1878 S VAM 17 Somthing Progression Photos

Post by twohawks » Sun Jun 14, 2020 5:21 pm

Here are images of the V-17a that just cam in the mail, not quite sure why its not PL but its a very nice MS-63 with vary clear and strong denticles on the rev.
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