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Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:52 pm
by playtime1
Please take a look at my recent addition. I want VAM confirmation that this cherry pick is the one I think it is in a high grade. Thanks for your help!!

JR- The last picture is for you.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:30 am
by Vam-mysterio
Not a 166
Check vam 185

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:43 am
by 4sdair
VAM 187. Reverse is later used on VAM 166...

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:15 am
by playtime1
Please look at the last picture-the upward gouge from the base of the arrow. Not 187 , possibly 185-C with Cud
Over STATES. I still think it’s 166.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:34 am
by 4sdair
Picture of the "R" in PLURIBUS please...

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:36 am
by VamHelsing
Does not appear to be V166 to me. Is that a nasty rim ding by the P,
or is it just the pics?

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:41 am
by 4sdair
It's a VAM 187. Middle ear is all wrong and HUGE doubled "R". The "P" is not even close for 160,164,165 or 166.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:20 am
by vamsterdam
not a chance that it is a v166, that P is not it. I cannot see UR clearly at all.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:27 am
by Vam-mysterio
More pictures of obverse
Please

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:54 am
by playtime1
Here are 4 more pictures. The R in Pluribus IMHO is NOT doubled like on the 187.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:06 pm
by 4sdair
That looks like the V188 obverse but I don't recall that the 187/166 reverse was used on the 188.

Definitely not the doubled "R" of the V187.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:52 pm
by playtime1
This also has the cut in the 1 of 1987, shown on VW pics, although hard to see on my picture. Please note the full O on reverse; the secondary gouges markers on the rim of eye, and the vertical gouges in the ribbon. The P doesn’t have the pushed up right side of base, but this may be an early stage 166 (166-A) ?

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:22 pm
by 4sdair
It is absolutely not a V166. Look at the middle of the ear.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:32 pm
by ljs123
I admit that I'm not a 78-P expert. But it seems to me that this is NOT the obverse or reverse of the VAM-166.

1. Obverse; the P is wrong, the R is wrong, and the lines at the ribbon on the bonnet are not there.
2. Reverse; It is my thought that the VAM-166 scratch at the eagle's toe is not "The scratch" but instead is a PMD strike. The angle of the scratch is wrong and at close up you can see what I am calling a strike follows up and deforms the eagle's toe.

VAM-166 reverse scratch
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The reverse scratch photo supplied in this thread
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:36 pm
by 4sdair
Agreed! Looks like PMD in "almost" the right place. Please check the V188 page.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:51 pm
by Vam-mysterio
Looks like you have a nice vam 188

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:45 pm
by playtime1
Thanks everybody for the help. Yes, it a nice new 188. I think we now know an evil mimic of the 166. :roll:

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:22 pm
by bobbyjenkins
Sorry, we can all empathize... But boy, it was as exciting as hell right up to the disappointment. That emotional condition is Vamanic Depressive, usually goes away with the next cherry pick.

Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:28 pm
by collectinsince65
positive words spoken
well said bobby
Very well said