Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

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playtime1
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Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by playtime1 » Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:52 pm

Please take a look at my recent addition. I want VAM confirmation that this cherry pick is the one I think it is in a high grade. Thanks for your help!!

JR- The last picture is for you.
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Vam-mysterio
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by Vam-mysterio » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:30 am

Not a 166
Check vam 185

4sdair
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:43 am

VAM 187. Reverse is later used on VAM 166...

playtime1
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by playtime1 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:15 am

Please look at the last picture-the upward gouge from the base of the arrow. Not 187 , possibly 185-C with Cud
Over STATES. I still think it’s 166.

4sdair
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:34 am

Picture of the "R" in PLURIBUS please...

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by VamHelsing » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:36 am

Does not appear to be V166 to me. Is that a nasty rim ding by the P,
or is it just the pics?

4sdair
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:41 am

It's a VAM 187. Middle ear is all wrong and HUGE doubled "R". The "P" is not even close for 160,164,165 or 166.

vamsterdam
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by vamsterdam » Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:20 am

not a chance that it is a v166, that P is not it. I cannot see UR clearly at all.

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by Vam-mysterio » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:27 am

More pictures of obverse
Please

playtime1
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by playtime1 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:54 am

Here are 4 more pictures. The R in Pluribus IMHO is NOT doubled like on the 187.
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4sdair
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:06 pm

That looks like the V188 obverse but I don't recall that the 187/166 reverse was used on the 188.

Definitely not the doubled "R" of the V187.

playtime1
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by playtime1 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:52 pm

This also has the cut in the 1 of 1987, shown on VW pics, although hard to see on my picture. Please note the full O on reverse; the secondary gouges markers on the rim of eye, and the vertical gouges in the ribbon. The P doesn’t have the pushed up right side of base, but this may be an early stage 166 (166-A) ?

4sdair
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:22 pm

It is absolutely not a V166. Look at the middle of the ear.

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by ljs123 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:32 pm

I admit that I'm not a 78-P expert. But it seems to me that this is NOT the obverse or reverse of the VAM-166.

1. Obverse; the P is wrong, the R is wrong, and the lines at the ribbon on the bonnet are not there.
2. Reverse; It is my thought that the VAM-166 scratch at the eagle's toe is not "The scratch" but instead is a PMD strike. The angle of the scratch is wrong and at close up you can see what I am calling a strike follows up and deforms the eagle's toe.

VAM-166 reverse scratch
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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by 4sdair » Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:36 pm

Agreed! Looks like PMD in "almost" the right place. Please check the V188 page.

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by Vam-mysterio » Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Looks like you have a nice vam 188

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by playtime1 » Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:45 pm

Thanks everybody for the help. Yes, it a nice new 188. I think we now know an evil mimic of the 166. :roll:

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by bobbyjenkins » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:22 pm

Sorry, we can all empathize... But boy, it was as exciting as hell right up to the disappointment. That emotional condition is Vamanic Depressive, usually goes away with the next cherry pick.

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Re: Vam 166 I do believe- please verify

Post by collectinsince65 » Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:28 pm

positive words spoken
well said bobby
Very well said

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