1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

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1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by lioncutter » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:11 pm

I have been searching years for this one (1883 O VAM 49A)but not much information is given for this one on its page. It is discovered by Mr. LVA and the plate photos only show mintmark and clashed reverse M above D in God. There is only one in the SSDC registry as a SEGS 50 discovery coin but no photo. ANACS has attributed zero VAM 49A's and zero amount of VAM 49's. Not sure about the other professional graders. By my observation, the mintmark & clashed M reverse looks a lot like it is in the same position as the VAM 1C2. Maybe someone on here has the discovery coin, they could post pics of it.
Does the 49A or even the VAM 49 exist?
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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:23 am

I have a V49 but it is questionable. Not much to go on with no other markers.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:44 pm

I show the first plate photos for 49 and 49A in 2004 and only of reverse.

If you have something that matches the plates from 2004 for 49 or 49A or if you have a slab AOH as 49 or 49A, simply compare it to a 1C1 or 1C2 reverse. The mm position and file lines inside mm of 49 plate are a match for 1C1/1C2 reverse.

Basically I believe this to be a duplicate listing, 49 & 49A are empty nests as far as I am concerned.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by lioncutter » Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:09 pm

blh74 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:23 am
I have a V49 but it is questionable. Not much to go on with no other markers.
Thanks for responding blh74.
Is it attributed or is self-attributed?
raynat3 wrote:
Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:44 pm
I show the first plate photos for 49 and 49A in 2004 and only of reverse.

If you have something that matches the plates from 2004 for 49 or 49A or if you have a slab AOH as 49 or 49A, simply compare it to a 1C1 or 1C2 reverse. The mm position and file lines inside mm of 49 plate are a match for 1C1/1C2 reverse.

Basically I believe this to be a duplicate listing, 49 & 49A are empty nests as far as I am concerned.
THANKS Ray. If we could find who has the discovery VAM 49A that is in the registry and have full pics of obverse and reverse, I think we could determine if it is a duplicate of 1C1 or 1C2.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:46 am

My coin is attributed by me, I don`t see any similarity with the buffed reverse.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:32 am

Brian,

If you can, take a close up picture of the mm and post it.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:32 am

raynat3 wrote:
Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:32 am
Brian,

If you can, take a close up picture of the mm and post it.
I will tomorrow. I agree the mint mark looks similar, but what about the "buffed reverse?"

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:24 am

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:14 pm

Looks like a nice coin with mirrors and early. Got me a little stumped , does not appear to match lines in the 1C series mm and hard to say it matches what I see in the plates in the 2004 supplement for the 49. The stuff in the bow of your picture has got me looking at a few others. Do you see this scratch in your coin? Thank you for posting your pictures.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:10 am

My coin shows those exact scratches. So now what is it?

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:13 am

That picture is from a very nice coin that was gifted to me by Chuck Emery in 2013 that led to revision in VAM 23.

The obverse of 23 and 23B have this scratch in the wheat stalk. If you have this in the lower left eagles wing it is 23B.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:07 pm

My coin has neither of those markers, sorry.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:56 am

So the reverse die is the same as the 23 series. Need to figure out the obverse. You may have an earlier stage of the 23 than I have or you may have a different obverse die. I will post a few other obverse pictures to see if you have can match to your coin.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:13 am

I agree with the reverse. Also have the same lines in the gap between neck and wing. But no doubled 18, so must be a different obverse die.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:28 am

I hope it is a different Obverse Die as it would be a new die pair which are getting harder and harder to find.

But I do have an early pl version of the 23 that the Doubling in the date can not be seen on the 1 and is very weak on the 8. The doubling in the date becomes more pronounced in later due stages.

Does your obverse have pitting? Do you have this gouge in the lower foot of R?
If no to both those questions please post a picture of the ear and RTY.
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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:55 am

I have 3 V23B and now 2 V23. My coin has all the markers for 23. I cannot see any doubling of the 18. My first V21 I had it marked as a V21 with a V23 written below it. I can see the weak doubling on it. So I have 5 coins with all the markers and no V49. So back to the original question, Lioncutter thought V49A is a dupe of V1C1, with the mint mark similarity. You suggested I look at the V23 and you got it. I think you are correct that V49 is a dupe of V23.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by raynat3 » Sun Apr 19, 2020 2:31 pm

I still argue the VAM 49/49A is a duplicate of VAM 1C series because:

1. The mm of one 1C1 Series actual has what was described in 49 as "Tripled O Left Inside"
2. The only reverse die with buffed reverse shown but not listed in 49A Plate, is the 1C series.

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Re: 1883 O VAM 49A - Does it Exist?

Post by blh74 » Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:44 am

raynat3.... I have 3 1C1, and you are correct. I guess I am confused about where the buffed reverse fits in. Thanks

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