1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

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1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

Post by pete$298 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 6:39 pm

This is a 1881-S NGC MS65. I believe it is a Vam 9? but there is a die break in the field from the hair above the forehead down by her nose. There is also a die crack from the hair above the eye, through the eye and down to the back of the nose. The 8's have die chips and are doubled. There is slight doubling above the cap. On the reverse there is a die crack from the S in Trust into the top of the left wing. There are die scratches in the bow and the mm seems to have the gouge at the top.
I would appreciate any help from the community. Sorry about my photography.
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Re: 1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:06 pm

Stain

...Most likey from an improper dip rinse. Notice the cloudy area above it and elsewhere.
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Re: 1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

Post by pete$298 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:02 pm

Chris, Thanks for taking time to look. I agree the first pic makes it look like a stain, but with the coin in hand and looking thru a loop, the metal looks the same and seems to be slightly raised near to her face. The second picture(which is a poor excuse for a picture) shows this a little better. If it is a stain would NGC still grade MS65 or details, damaged or cleaned? I am adding another pic, but it's not any clearer.
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Re: 1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

Post by CascadeChris » Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:31 pm

Sure they would. Most times coins are dipped right before submission so the staining doesn't develop until after you get it back in many cases.

I guess it could be a minor lamination that the dip staining "hugged." The Ziggy pattern does make it plausible but much better pics are needed. They taking them at an angle (to show the metal above the surface) through a loupe and very crisp and in focus.
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Re: 1881-S with Obv. Field Break or Lamination? Vam?

Post by pete$298 » Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:13 pm

Thanks again, Chris. I am learning little by little. I've only been collecting Morgans a few years and just started trying to figure out these VAMs. It is a real challenge and a lot of fun. Vamworld is a great community and a great place to learn. I enjoy the fussin, fighten, and general BS, too. I hope to improve my pics and will post better ones when I get it worked out. Do you or anyone agree with VAM 9 on this coin or am I incorrect?

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