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1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C (LDS 5C-D )

Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:32 pm
by jgrinz
Nice pictures but lighting is bad ...
Ebay find and purchase


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Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:56 am
by weth
The VAM 5 has soooo many stages. Clash, polish, polish, clash, polish, clash, clash, polish - I'm working on a listing of stages, but it is difficult to enumerate them all.

Your example looks like it is later than VAM 5C, but earlier than VAM 5D. If there is no discernible letter transfer, then I think LVA would just call this "VAM 5". Or you could call it VAM 5 LDS.

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:05 am
by jgrinz
weth wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:56 am
The VAM 5 has soooo many stages. Clash, polish, polish, clash, polish, clash, clash, polish - I'm working on a listing of stages, but it is difficult to enumerate them all.

Your example looks like it is later than VAM 5C, but earlier than VAM 5D. If there is no discernible letter transfer, then I think LVA would just call this "VAM 5". Or you could call it VAM 5 LDS.
When in hand I will post newer information

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:54 pm
by lioncutter
Vam 5D has to have that clash die break on the back of Phrygian cap below ribbon. Yours looks to be late die state of VAM 5C. JMO

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:37 pm
by jgrinz
I could not tell if it is there or not.
Cannot wait to get in hand and take MY pictures :)

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:20 am
by RMG1883CC

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:32 pm
by jgrinz
RMG1883CC wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:20 am
Here some shots to compare,,,

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compu ... 3CC_081916
Yup I know … just seeing if anyone sees something I do not.
These are this pictures the seller had and will have to wait till in hand
thx tho

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:42 pm
by messydesk
Looks like probably LDS of VAM 5D. The break shows up just fine in the seller's pictures. The clashes should be there, too, but they fade over time. The specification of VAM 5D only states that the letter transfer clashes have been wiped out by new ones, and that the die break is visible on LDS specimens.

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts ( LDS 5D )

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:52 pm
by jgrinz
messydesk wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:42 pm
Looks like probably LDS of VAM 5D. The break shows up just fine in the seller's pictures. The clashes should be there, too, but they fade over time. The specification of VAM 5D only states that the letter transfer clashes have been wiped out by new ones, and that the die break is visible on LDS specimens.
Yep 5D LDS - is there an XLDS :-)

Clashes are as seen on original pictures
no letter transfer can be seen at this point
Break is there but worn down quite a bit
The wing scratch looks like a cavern on this coin
Interesting forehead markings / lines
The first 8's Die chip on right side looks substantially larger as compared to pictures here

Coin looks to be a nice looking MS-63




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Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:53 pm
by jgrinz
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Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C (LDS 5D )

Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:30 pm
by vampicker
Think you have that transitional stage between VAMs 5C and D. The break at the back of the cap for a full blown 5D is strong and obvious. Looks like you just have the beginning of this break.

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts ( LDS 5D )

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:58 am
by messydesk
jgrinz wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:52 pm
messydesk wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:42 pm
Looks like probably LDS of VAM 5D. The break shows up just fine in the seller's pictures. The clashes should be there, too, but they fade over time. The specification of VAM 5D only states that the letter transfer clashes have been wiped out by new ones, and that the die break is visible on LDS specimens.
Yep 5D LDS - is there an XLDS :-)

Clashes are as seen on original pictures
no letter transfer can be seen at this point
Break is there but worn down quite a bit
The wing scratch looks like a cavern on this coin
Interesting forehead markings / lines
The first 8's Die chip on right side looks substantially larger as compared to pictures here

Coin looks to be a nice looking MS-63
I think I was looking at the wrong picture. The one that lioncutter posted is the VAM 5D LDS. The transition from 5C to this state is a long one, and seems to be a very common die stage.

Re: 1883-cc - Would like it to be a 5d but I think C Thoughts ( LDS 5C-D )

Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:49 am
by jgrinz
I thought you might have