Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GO VLDS

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Kissov
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Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GO VLDS

Post by Kissov » Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:55 pm

Many of the examples of Morgan 21 VAMs in my Work In Progress box have a scribbles area wiped clean. This particular example had die cracks running from the "R" in DOLLAR to the first right wreath segment, and another running from the fifth right wreath segment, through the eagle's left wing, and through the "F" of OF. I was not able to match these cracks to anything in the crack guide.

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A third specimen showed up that, while lacking any die cracks, showed other aspects that matched my two unattributed examples. And this one had some scribbles:

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Many trips through the scribbles guide were not successful (note: I need to pay more attention to VAMs that are listed but not illustrated in the scribbles guide).

I made a brute-force trip through all the D2 reverse entries and finally arrived at VAM-3GO, thanks to the two semi-parallel scribbles running from the first right toe into the gap between the third and fourth UTFs. The fourth and fifth UTF shapes also helped. And I finally found the breast-to-left-wing gouge described on the 3GO page, which was present on all three examples.

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Also helpful in linking these three together was the bow configuration. The upper heavy line, in particular, seems to hold up well against die wear.

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None of my examples show the die scratch above the "E" in STATES, nor do they show the small gouge on the last "T" in TRUST. The left wing gouge, the die cracks, and the bow configuration seem to be the best markers for LDS examples of VAM-3GO. There is also a short but thick die gouge between the first and second UTFs that persists in LDS examples.

DHalladay
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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GO VLDS

Post by DHalladay » Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:14 pm

Yours is an even later die state coin than mine.
Mine doesn't have either of the reverse cracks you show, but the horizontal gouge between the eagle's body and left wing is bold, as are the two vertical scribbles you describe.
When in doubt... don't.

weth
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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GO VLDS

Post by weth » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:15 pm

Interesting! My latest die state example shows the break at F in OF but not the lower break into R.

The VAM 3GO is duplicated by the VAM 3HO, unless Dennis has taken steps to revise that listing..

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Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GO VLDS

Post by DHalladay » Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:25 pm

weth wrote:
Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:15 pm

The VAM 3GO is duplicated by the VAM 3HO, unless Dennis has taken steps to revise that listing..

I am in the process of trying to.
My most recent submission to LVA was received in December a few days after his latest deadline kicked in. It is still waiting to be opened, but he did send me a postcard in January explaining the situation. My cover letter asks if it is possible to get a copy of his plate images for 3GO to put on our attribution page, so a better idea can be had about 3GO vs. 3HO. Then the hard part will be locating the discovery coins, so as to make an official kill.
When in doubt... don't.

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