1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

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knlamb555
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1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by knlamb555 » Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:29 pm

Just got a nice looking '04 O "Trigger" VAM 28A and found a load of "Extra Metal" along the top edge. Is this common? I think I have EDS, no polishing line below LA on reverse, but not a very strong G clash, and not really PL. Any comments? thanks, KL
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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by collectinsince65 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:58 pm

Nice pickup.
Having never found one I can't comment as to if this is the norm or not.
Perhaps others will chime in

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:04 pm

The "partial rim cud" is not listable since it does not extend into the field.. However, it is a drop dead PUP marker for LDS V28As if cherrypicking.

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by knlamb555 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:07 pm

Late die? so the line below LA is early die and disappears later? thanks for commmenting

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:26 pm

The "line" you refer to below LA is a die scratch. I don't have my reference set available right now, but if it is on an EDS then it will likely disappear in LDS coins. One of my gripes about what happens in VAMming is that folks get zealous and post photos on the VAM pages of PUPs that may, or may not show up on all die stages/states.

This confuses folks who look at the pages here as it should. Die studies show what die markers show up on all die stages/states, or at least how they change during the life of the die. Not many folks want to take on a die study. Hence the sometimes confusing photos posted on the VAM pages. This is why I advocate for die studies and one & done markers that show up during all die stages/states, or at least are explained properly on the pages here.

If your coin matches most of the photos on the V28A page, then it likely is a VAM-28A. Keep in mind that the obverse was also used in the V32 and V2A marriages in a LDS.

My rant on this subject always goes unrecognized, which I am used to. Die studies folks, die studies.

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by impairedsquirrel » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:01 pm

Back where I come from we call those fellers "cuddlings".
I go totally NUTS for WOW! VAMs!! Or is that from WOW! VAMs?

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by knlamb555 » Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:07 pm

good one, I'm stealing that

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by RogerRock » Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:28 am

That extra metal at the rim you referred to is now called a rim break. Sometimes, clashed collar contact
weakens and damages the rim enough to cause significant rim die breaks. See the reverse of 1922 D VAM 16B
as a good example of a combination rim break and collar clash!
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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:14 am

One mans "significant rim break" is another mans "die poop". Leroy may list this type of thing today, but then again, why? I mean, why have every darn die stage/state listed? Does this really help the hobby? Does it increase the value of a coin? Or, is it just the same die pair that isn't worth anything in any die stage/state?

Food for thought maybe, maybe not if you are one to reject such thoughts.

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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by RogerRock » Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:34 am

LateDateMorganGuy wrote:
Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:14 am
One mans "significant rim break" is another mans "die poop". Leroy may list this type of thing today, but then again, why? I mean, why have every darn die stage/state listed? Does this really help the hobby? Does it increase the value of a coin? Or, is it just the same die pair that isn't worth anything in any die stage/state?

Food for thought maybe, maybe not if you are one to reject such thoughts.
1922 D VAM 16B was listed because of the obverse retained cud Y. Reverse collar clash already listed as 16A.
The reverse rim break was offered up as an educational example of rim break/collar clash combination!
Leroy does not list rim die breaks-obviously.
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Re: 1904 O Vam 28a "Trigger"

Post by TheFinn2 » Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:28 am

Looks like a 2A to me. Known to have the rim cud between B and U.
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