1921-P honest eye?

[Geseas]

Hello,
Thank you for your insights on this site.
Is this photo being honest? (Unaltered)
I have been experimenting with this new nano-silver
Technology...

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[TheYokel]

It's too easy to hide alterations and defects with angles and lighting to tell you anything from a single picture.

It's definitely an eye, though.

Are you worried about the long horizontal mark or the diagonal one?

Edit: are you worried that the coin is altered, or the photo...? I'm having a hard time following...

[Geseas]

That is what you guys are teaching me here...

I have a hard time explaining myself...thank you for your patience.

What I am trying to say. From just this one photo can you detect altercations? Enhancements? Cleaning? I know it is unfair... just like Ebay.

[TheYokel]

That is what you guys are teaching me here...

Why would you think someone would alter the eye on a common date Morgan?

[Geseas]

That is what you guys are teaching me here...

Why would you think someone would alter the eye on a common date Morgan?

learning to observe fine detail in things and ignore destraction (noise), is one of the lessons here.
I believe people would enhance a coin if they could. In a effort to show its true potential or for some other reason.

From this one photo, does this eye area appear to be cleaned to you? This should have been my question... I will get it eventually.

[VamHelsing]

It's a little too close up for me to tell.

[...kenny]

IMHO; This 'common' date coin has been cleaned. To what extent, a simple one. The coin shows dark 'blotching', a warning sign for me. It also shows signs of metal movement, once again, circulation. If your looking for advice on coins that are 'for sale', you should PM VAMmer's you trust with your link/coin in question. You can't be to careful these days!...

[CascadeChris]

I see a little bit of crud spotting, and a die-polsihed front of eye (somewhat common) but nothing from that tiny area zoom pic is screaming at me that the entire coin is has been cleaned.

Let's get to the good stuff though...

Please explain "Experimenting with this new nano-silver technology"

[Geseas]

It's too easy to hide alterations and defects with angles and lighting to tell you anything from a single picture.

It's definitely an eye, though.

Are you worried about the long horizontal mark or the diagonal one?

Edit: are you worried that the coin is altered, or the photo...? I'm having a hard time following...

Both the coin (physically) and its picture, (cameras light perception) can be altered using nano-silver technology the way I understand it. Messing around with the tiny tiny.

[Geseas]

It's a little too close up for me to tell.

I will upload whole coin to compare in AM. Thanks.

@VamHelsing Here is that full obv. You can sure tell that eye area has been messed with. See what it looks like in a month.

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[Geseas]

IMHO; This 'common' date coin has been cleaned. To what extent, a simple one. The coin shows dark 'blotching', a warning sign for me. It also shows signs of metal movement, once again, circulation. If your looking for advice on coins that are 'for sale', you should PM VAMmer's you trust with your link/coin in question. You can't be to careful these days!...

I am very respectful of new technology or even old stuff being used differently today. I will use your advice. Thanks.

[Geseas]

I see a little bit of crud spotting, and a die-polsihed front of eye (somewhat common) but nothing from that tiny area zoom pic is screaming at me that the entire coin is has been cleaned.

Let's get to the good stuff though...

Please explain "Experimenting with this new nano-silver technology"

The rev. is a D1. I am working on growing the 18 berry as we speak! I am hoping everyone will want one... Now seriously, the nano-silver thing maybe something to be aware of. I find it fascinating. The area I like is the use of the green tanins and finding that perfect Ph for my purposes. Their is lots of information on internet of course, in many directions regarding nano particles. Who knows where ideas will go? I am no expert , I know that.

[jgrinz]

Well fer sure is that is damage on the nose ...
sounds like too much effort for a damaged coin.
Unless you are just playing
imho

[TheYokel]

I see a little bit of crud spotting, and a die-polsihed front of eye (somewhat common) but nothing from that tiny area zoom pic is screaming at me that the entire coin is has been cleaned.

Let's get to the good stuff though...

Please explain "Experimenting with this new nano-silver technology"

The rev. is a D1. I am working on growing the 18 berry as we speak! I am hoping everyone will want one... Now seriously, the nano-silver thing maybe something to be aware of. I find it fascinating. The area I like is the use of the green tanins and finding that perfect Ph for my purposes. Their is lots of information on internet of course, in many directions regarding nano particles. Who knows where ideas will go? No expert here, I know that.

I've seen people use colloidal silver to try and manipulate coins. You aren't on to anything new. People have been adding D's (nuts, giggity)to dimes for over a hundred years. You aren't the first nor last that is going to experiment with adding metal to a coin.

Won't ever pass in-hand scrutiny though... Flow lines, matching patina, height of details on the surface... It won't pass...

Chemical burn to hide the new silver might be the only way, but then it's a damaged coin and won't grade anyways.

Anyone can hide manipulation with a single picture. I can probably make you think a Guatemalan 5 peso is a Lincoln Cent with the right close-up...

[Geseas]

You have me thinking now, before I say anything....


I feel it is kind of sad the way most coins are portrayed on the Ebay. The Raw don't seem to be
realized for the bits our history they represent. The photography is terrible... by todays standards.
A method to generate an awareness; without ruining the coin. (Two relative terms, I know)
My example using the eyeball again:

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The detail areas between yellow arrows could be from a working die or a hub? Interesting. Not a vam attribution, but still interesting. It can be even better if you had unveiled this discovery yourself, from under a pile of smooch, or whatever CascadeChris calls it... Without ruining the coin. It wouldn't matter if you had the (red arrow) damage Igrinz pointed out above.
It maybe like what a paleontologist experiences when they carefully remove the crud. You do not want to damage the object in persuit of discovery, but that does happen.
Those coins I can barely see behind all that plastic is a whole different story.

[CascadeChris]

I'd be careful before you begin falling down the "micro-VAMming" rabbit hole...

[Geseas]

Thank you for heads up, CascadeChris.
I can see it now, it's just up ahead ....Does it happen here often? This is a great site. Thank you all.

[CascadeChris]

Thank you CascadeChris.
I can see now, it's just up ahead ....Does it happen here often? This is a great site. Thank you all.

Micro-VAMming refers to seeing small minute things like tiny die polishing lines or tiny die chips/flakes/defects etc and thinking they mean much of anything in the larger VAM context. If you can't see it without magnification, or at the very most at 10x mag, then it most likely doesn't mean much.

And to answer your question, yes. We do see people going down the micro-VAMming rabbit hole from time to time and we try to correct it.

In the context of a true die study what constitutes "micro-VAMming" can be useful but within the realm of "simple" VAMming it can lead to confusion and doubt..

[vampicker]

Seriously, go to the bank and pick up a new roll of quarters. Take them home and look at your target coin carefully. Then take a couple of the other coins and hold them about a foot above your target. Drop the coins so they hit the target, then look at the results. Do this a few times and study the results. What bagmarks are and look like will sink in.

[Geseas]

Seriously, go to the bank and pick up a new roll of quarters. Take them home and look at your target coin carefully. Then take a couple of the other coins and hold them about a foot above your target. Drop the coins so they hit the target, then look at the results. Do this a few times and study the results. What bagmarks are and look like will sink in.

I finally tried it! You are exactly right. This is helping me out of a RH Thanks