Morgan 1921-P VAM-107 ... Part of VAM-3GA?

General discussion board about VAMs, but no buy/sell offers
Post Reply
Kissov
Posts: 281
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:14 pm

Morgan 1921-P VAM-107 ... Part of VAM-3GA?

Post by Kissov » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:10 pm

As described in the attribution pages, Morgan 1921-P VAM-3GA spans quite a range of die states.

EDS examples show fairly heavy scribbles, a distinct gouge in the "D" of "UNITED", and some conspicuous scratches in the right wing, a small gouge in the lower left wing, but no cracks in "DOLLAR".

WIN_20200220_13_20_42_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_20_42_Pro.jpg (212.85 KiB) Viewed 69 times
WIN_20200220_13_20_57_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_20_57_Pro.jpg (209.24 KiB) Viewed 69 times
WIN_20200220_13_22_07_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_22_07_Pro.jpg (219.44 KiB) Viewed 69 times
WIN_20200220_13_22_40_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_22_40_Pro.jpg (195.15 KiB) Viewed 69 times
WIN_20200220_13_22_58_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_22_58_Pro.jpg (208.04 KiB) Viewed 69 times

Kissov
Posts: 281
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:14 pm

Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-107 ... Part of VAM-3GA?

Post by Kissov » Thu Feb 20, 2020 10:23 pm

As we progress into later die states scribbles are gone, with only a few diagonal lines across the lower abdomen. A crack that will ultimately span between the "D" and the "R" of dollar via the wreath begins to develop.
WIN_20200220_13_16_24_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_16_24_Pro.jpg (207.77 KiB) Viewed 66 times
WIN_20200220_13_15_59_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_15_59_Pro.jpg (203.45 KiB) Viewed 66 times

Eventually the crack develops fully and intersects another crack between the "A" and "R" of "DOLLAR". The right wing die scratches are still present.

WIN_20200220_13_13_19_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_13_19_Pro.jpg (187.23 KiB) Viewed 66 times
WIN_20200220_13_15_04_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_15_04_Pro.jpg (195.4 KiB) Viewed 66 times

Although not mentioned in the 3GA obverse description, there is quite a bit of obverse doubling (date, stars, etc.) that is illustrated in the attribution page.

I initially called one of my examples VAM-107, based on the obverse doubling and the faint diagonal scratches in the lower abdomen. But on closer inspection it appears to me that VAM-107 might simply be an MDS example of VAM-3GA, after the scribbles have become faint but before the "DOLLAR" cracks start forming.

This is from a VAM-3GA. Compare this to the photo on the VAM-107 page.

WIN_20200220_13_30_12_Pro.jpg
WIN_20200220_13_30_12_Pro.jpg (207.57 KiB) Viewed 66 times

DHalladay
Posts: 1318
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 4:38 pm

Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-107 ... Part of VAM-3GA?

Post by DHalladay » Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:05 pm

Well done!

Let's see if we can track down the Discovery Coins and confirm this theory.

I have two coins I am calling 3GA and one I'm calling 107. They are (at least now) obviously all the same, but which VAM? There is a progression of die wear that goes from one of my 3GAs in particular to my VAM 107, including the gouge through the D, and my 107 has has a nifty crack that the others don't. Let's get one of them killed!

crack DOL.jpg
crack DOL.jpg (259.29 KiB) Viewed 57 times
crack DOL close.jpg
crack DOL close.jpg (218.17 KiB) Viewed 57 times
When in doubt... don't.

User avatar
ljs123
Posts: 1066
Joined: Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:16 pm

Re: Morgan 1921-P VAM-107 ... Part of VAM-3GA?

Post by ljs123 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:46 am

C6E68D84-2DEC-47CC-A38D-939EA4D3276B.gif
C6E68D84-2DEC-47CC-A38D-939EA4D3276B.gif (602.2 KiB) Viewed 46 times

Post Reply