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Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:28 pm
by bigjayvee
Obverse polished in the usual areas, hair,ear etc. has slightly double cap and double date. Reverse is where the polishing really shows and a lot of other cool "PUPS" !!! Heavy polished neck gap, Eagles lower tail feathers and leg gaps,striated die gouge bottom of "O" to "S" in TRUST. AND a cool slanted bar gouge from olive stem to the top arrow feather. Can't find this on the Vam pages. New Vam ??? Thanks for looking !!!!!
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Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:34 pm
by bigjayvee
Continued photos: Reverse also has double M/M, birficated letters on "TAT of States.
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Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:35 pm
by bigjayvee
"TAT" photos:

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:53 pm
by Longstrider
Those are beautiful photos! Someone here should be able to help you out. Good luck!🐍

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:40 pm
by VamHelsing
Love the gouge in the O! 88-S is an understudied date.
Now that's what I call a "Comet"!!!

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:36 pm
by colwillys
John that is one super nice 1888-S .. WoW ... Looking at this coin again YOU SUCK . Box it up .

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:57 pm
by alefzero
Prooflikes I recall for the date are VAM-2 and VAM-13, maybe VAM-6D. Interesting in the gouges, which also are obvious hallmarks of the VAM-13, which this is not of course.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:58 pm
by bigjayvee
Thanks for looking,Mojave John, John and Tom !!!! Would like to see if we can Vam this coin. Like John K. said, 1888-S is an understudied date. It's in a NGC MS62PL holder and it's a dazzler. Love the arrow bar gouge and the polishing lines :D
As also, all comments and opinions welcome !!!! Sorry for the double photos.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 6:59 pm
by bigjayvee
Thanks John C. I 'll check those you mentioned and try to Vam it.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 7:30 pm
by bigjayvee
I checked the Vam 2 and Vam 13. No arrow gouge on either . Took another photo of the date placement, it seems to be a near date, which neither the Vam 2 or Vam 13 look to be, in hand this looks like a near date.
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Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:35 pm
by colwillys
I was thinking near date . The only one I came up with was VAM 8 set left more so then other VAM's .
Check the star . New gouges good start for a road trip . The doubled S mint mark is different , looked
at VAM 15 .

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:55 pm
by bigjayvee
Thanks Tom !!!! Here you go Lee, photo's you requested of the full date & bow. Hope this helps .
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Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:41 pm
by JackBnimble01
Can you tell me what equipment u used to take the pics, price, and where I can get one?
Thanks

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:46 pm
by Mhomei
BJV
I think we are looking at an exact match for the date of the V5, CERTAINLY worth a trip to ANACS or VSS

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:33 pm
by messydesk
The date is not far enough left to be called a near date, and also doesn't look to be slanted enough for VAM 5. All I can see on the pictures that is noteworthy is that the top of the cap is possibly doubled. The gouge on the reverse between the branch and arrow feather seems strong enough to be listable if nothing else is.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:08 pm
by bigjayvee
Thanks Mitch and JB for your comments, looks like we are back to the beginning. Like Mitch said, maybe a trip out to you JB for attribution. Housed in an old NGC MS62 fatty with a PL designation,would'nt want to resubmit right now.
And Jack, Like mostly everyone else here, with the exception of a few great photo guys on this site, MHomei, JB, Dennis H. to mention a few,a Dino-Lite is what I use for close-ups and Sony 14.1 CYBERSHOT for full photos,as you can tell,the full photos suck. Dino-Lite website will give you prices,models and availability. Hope this helps

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:50 am
by VamHelsing
That's a beauty for an ms62!! I'd say off to Leroy for sure!
Darn it, now I'm going to have to look for ANOTHER cool one! :D

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:02 am
by alefzero
My notes have VAM-5 appearing occasionally prooflike. It may very well be that, or at least one die pair. You do have a couple very good reverse markers. The only one I had I sold already. It was a PCGS AU58 that may have been prooflike but PCGS does not designate for grades below 60 anymore.

Check with fogie. Brent has a couple of VAM-5 and might be able to check for the markers on his. But again, there might be different reverses or even die pairs associated with that listing.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:44 am
by bigjayvee
Thanks John K. and John C. !!! Will send out a PM to fogie and see if he can help. Thank you.

Re: Polished 1888-S Proof, Vam ???

Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:06 pm
by bigjayvee
Still working this coin. Striation marks or something else :?: :?: What caused this :?: Some of you will say PMD,but in hand i say no way. Crazy, drunk, incompetent mint worker in the San Fran Mint :?: Comments please !!!!!
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