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1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:43 pm
by collectinsince65
Hey all
Think I have narrowed this low quality one down to two VAM's
What do you all think?
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Thanks
Mike

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:40 pm
by Albannach
What 2 VAM's, and why?

Where's dat Wabbit?

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:00 pm
by collectinsince65
Original thought was 9 and 77
Am leaning towards 77
Nine upper tailfeathers
Lack of die file lines inside the bow
I've been wrong on attributing the variety many times

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:28 pm
by Albannach
It's going to be a long uphill attribution based on the condition and lack of detailed pics.
I am NO expert on this date....but

Focus on the date placement and the deep secondaries.
i.e. Inner bow scratches, makers mark and LIBERTY, before you discount the V9...
you will need the minutia ("die poop") markers for a correct attribution.

If you can do close ups, it would help, us out here, help you...

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:47 pm
by collectinsince65
@Albannach
Thank you for your reply
I agree about the quality of this one being low
Was difficult to pickup the die file lines if any around the bear claw
Have added a couple of closeups
Date placement seems to match
Upper tailfeathers detail seems to match
And there are no die file lines inside the bow as shown on VAM 9
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Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:19 pm
by iceman
The 9 just looks closed , but other indicators suggest it maybe a 77 . Just the photos are hard to determine .

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:21 pm
by Albannach
Those file lines are pretty lite.
Agree on date and MM placement, for V9.

Do you see the scratch below the makers mark?

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:29 pm
by jgrinz
Eeks pictures are not helping much friend.
Without better ones I feel as though its tough to help.
Good luck

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:40 pm
by Vam-mysterio
You have a vam 9

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:41 pm
by Vam-mysterio
Sorry not 77

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:53 pm
by vampicker
Following up on Juan's post, two things to consider here...
Date position for 1879 does not vary, but there are repunched dates on some of the dies.
The reverse on the VAM 9 and 77 are virtually identical, The polished out lines inside the bow occur at the same time the extra upper tail feathers get partially effaced - in other words VAM 77A.
Agree this is a VAM 9

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:55 pm
by vampicker
Bearclaw from a VAM 77/77A

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:07 pm
by collectinsince65
Thanks everyone!
Yep VAM 9
Maybe one day I will snag a 77
The search goes on
Mike

Re: 1879-s Rev of 1878

Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:08 pm
by Albannach
Man, it simply gets NO beter than that!

You owe someone 5 bucks, and it isn't me.

Thank you for the help gents!