Which 1892-S is this? **UPDATED IN NEW POST**

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Which 1892-S is this? **UPDATED IN NEW POST**

Post by DHalladay » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:23 pm

I've looked at every VAM attribution page twice and still can't be sure about this one; can anyone help? Date position looks like it is far. Date looks slanted. Mint mark looks to be positioned low.

Two other interesting things:
– Coin looks like it was at least semi-PL when new. (PCGS-45 now).
– The reverse had a TON of die polishing when new; the 2 photos seen below are just a sample of what's still there.

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by tmanhg » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:27 pm

Kinda looks like a VAM 4

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Fri Aug 03, 2018 8:30 pm

VAM 4 is the one I looked at longest too.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by crabscrape » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:23 pm

Dennis,

Can we get a full close up of the obverse? I am not seeing a Vam 4 here.

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:37 pm

How big am I allowed to make photos here on the new site?
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:51 pm

I hope this is big enough.
And guess what... circulated used-to-be PLish coins don't photograph worth a darn.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by Tekkie1 » Fri Aug 03, 2018 10:58 pm

Dennis, I can't match it up to any existing VAM .
Maybe it's just the pics but I don't see as being a FAR Date either.
Definitely doesn't match anything with the polishing lines.
Might need to be sent out.

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Fri Aug 03, 2018 11:18 pm

Tekkie1:
Thanks for the input. I'll add it to my next LVA batch and post the results here when they become available.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by blh74 » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:30 am

It looks like a slanted date. Don`t see a far date.

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by ifthevamzarockin » Sat Aug 04, 2018 3:36 am

Any doubling on the date? Don't know if it is lighting or just my bad eyes but the top of the 9 & 2 look slightly doubled. Vam 9 ?

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Sat Aug 04, 2018 2:58 pm

Not sure I see any doubling on the date. If there is some it's awfully minor.

And there's something I hadn't noticed before – the star between AMERICA and DOLLAR looks to have had a chunk break out of the die between two of the points near the rim:

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sat Aug 04, 2018 5:45 pm

Normal date, mint mark centered & upright (within tolerance). If it was mine, I would put a VAM-1 sticker on it. The slightly slanted date might get LVA's attention, but I am not sure of his "tolerance" for this type of thing.

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by crabscrape » Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:47 pm

Dennis,
I have my thoughts on the coin shown? However, not trying to waste anybody's time. Would be nice to hear from both John R. and John B., even Brian can give some advise as well as a few others. Would like to hear there comments?

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Sat Aug 04, 2018 10:14 pm

After looking at photos of the 50 highest auction price 1892-S at Heritage, I think this is going to be a new VAM and I think the broken star between DOLLAR and AMERICA on the reverse is why.

I found a duplicate of my coin, including small obverse and reverse cracks that I hadn't noticed on my coin until I saw them in the Heritage photos.

Look in the Heritage archives at the PCGS MS62 coin, lot #4942 in the January 2018 FUN show (serial #21731050)... and especially at the broken star on the reverse between DOLLAR and AMERICA.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by crabscrape » Sat Aug 04, 2018 11:19 pm

Dennis,

A new vam it is! Congrats! :D

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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by messydesk » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:21 pm

I agree that the slant of the date is pretty marginal and might or might not be listable. The break on the star, especially, given that a duplicate has been found, seems listable.

Comparing with 50 Heritage pictures is the start of what could be a valuable exercise. 92-S is seldom sent to Leroy in grades that he'd list, yet we have 13 listed varieties. Why not try to match up all of the listed varieties with Heritage pictures, Stacks/Bowers pictures, and CoinFacts to see if they're all accounted for? See if there's a VAM 1 that doesn't have a slight slant to the date. That will tell you if this is really something that should be listed separately, or if VAM 1 has it covered. This way, you'll know if the chip should be listed as VAM 1A, or if there should be a VAM 14 (slanted date in normal lateral position) and a VAM 14A (adding chip in star). This will prevent the need to correct the listing in the future by tracking down and sending expensive cons to Leroy.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by vampicker » Sun Aug 05, 2018 7:52 pm

What JB said...
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by DHalladay » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:13 pm

Many thanks for your input John and John.
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Re: Which 1892-S is this?

Post by LateDateMorganGuy » Sun Aug 05, 2018 8:29 pm

Dennis, the reverse die was used first in the VAM-3 die marriage, and then ended up with a new obverse die to create the die marriage you have. It looks like the reverse die was polished prior to the new marriage. Is the obverse die also polished? I have not found a VAM-3 yet with the chip at the reverse right star, but will keeping looking as I go thru the auction archives. It seems likely that the chip at the star started in the VAM-3 marriage. and then went on to the new marriage represented by your coin.

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