1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

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1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by collectinsince65 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:56 pm

Good morning all
Wondering what you all thought of this one?
Reeding on it is smooth at a point or two and spaced wider at a point or two
Reverse strike seems to be softer than the obverse

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by CascadeChris » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:05 pm

I'll go with environmental damage.
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by messydesk » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm

I would file that under "Questionable Authenticity."
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by DHalladay » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:30 pm

messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm
I would file that under "Questionable Authenticity."

Ditto.
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by Longstrider » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Bad counterfeit?

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by CascadeChris » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:34 pm

messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm
I would file that under "Questionable Authenticity."
You see it as bad rather than just a common 94o that has been evenly slicked from dryer/water erosion over time/acid/ etc JB?
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by collectinsince65 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:46 pm

Thanks John and Dennis.
Kinda what I was thinking.
Chris may be also correct.
It does pass the ring test.
Detail (or lack of detail in the feathers) on the back of the eagles neck caught my eye.
Doesn't really match a c3 reverse?
Very smooth and without definition.
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by messydesk » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:23 pm

CascadeChris wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:34 pm
messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:18 pm
I would file that under "Questionable Authenticity."
You see it as bad rather than just a common 94o that has been evenly slicked from dryer/water erosion over time/acid/ etc JB?
The amount of rough detail (wreath, cotton leaves, hair) remaining is consistent with an AU coin. It would be rather unfortunate had someone trashed a nice AU 94-O to the point of not having any detail on the eagle's head and no fine feathers visible. The Brillo+acid explanation did cross my mind, but it's so far gone that it's hard to verify that it's real.
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by vampicker » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:42 pm

So this is most likely genuine, but it's been hit with a buffer wheel or something like that. Whatever they were after, they got it and then some. If it came to me I'd bag with a stock comment about being unable to determine authenticity due to no original surfaces remaining, etc, etc....
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by jgrinz » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 pm

I think it is real
Probably heavily contaminated with corrosion and someone "hit" it with all they could to get
it nice and clean :-) even though it cost some silver content.
Weighing this puppy would be interesting note ... very lite I would think
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by fogie » Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:38 pm

I would stay away from it. Even in the unlikely event it is real.

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan

Post by collectinsince65 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:16 pm

Just In from @CascadeChris at Long Beach
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan Updated 2-20-2020

Post by collectinsince65 » Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:20 pm

And this one that my gut said maybe a Contemporary Copy
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by VamHelsing » Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:41 am

Smells to me...

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by RogerB » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:37 am

The OP's posted coin is false or severely altered.

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:10 pm

RogerB wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:37 am
The OP's posted coin is false or severely altered.
Yup. Which is why he sent them to me for XRF analysis and they read as sterling Roger 😉
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by RogerB » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:21 pm

Thanks!
My comment was directed more about why the piece was suspected to be genuine in the first place. It bears no similarity to a coin struck with poor detail at a US Mint.

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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by vampicker » Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:19 pm

Seriously, there's no way to definitively determine authenticity of a piece like this from just looking at a picture. A great deal of bad behavior has befallen this thing after it was made. That in no way is what it looked like when it was struck. I've seen pieces that look like this on one side only. Coming up with a sterling range reading on the gun does strongly suggest it's a contemporary counterfeit.
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Re: 1894 o flatly struck Morgan It is a CC

Post by CascadeChris » Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:45 pm

vampicker wrote:
Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:19 pm
Seriously, there's no way to definitively determine authenticity of a piece like this from just looking at a picture. A great deal of bad behavior has befallen this thing after it was made. That in no way is what it looked like when it was struck. I've seen pieces that look like this on one side only. Coming up with a sterling range reading on the gun does strongly suggest it's a contemporary counterfeit.
This is a latest model, new upgraded gun too JR. It has 3 tubes instead of his old 2 tubed unit which he needed for rock analysis in his mining business (as well as metals for his bullion buying) but the side effect for shooting straight metals is that this new one is apparently more accurate than the old 2-tuber, FWIW.
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