1885 Vam 9a?

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1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:21 am

Going over my 1885 P it seems as though it may be a Vam 9a. I was able to match all the markers from Vam worlds website and the 1885 Vam 9a. No dash under the 8 and no gouge by LS7
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:22 am

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:23 am

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by CascadeChris » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:51 am

@Mhomei
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Mhomei » Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:54 am

Nice grab.
You suck!

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:25 pm

Mhomei wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:54 am
Nice grab.
You suck!


Mitch,
Would you take another look at this coin? It is not a match to the information on the VAM-9A page.

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:15 pm

I believe that it is a single clash version of the VAM-9B. I can not see any letter transfer in your photos. If the n & st transfer occurred on the second clash, then you have a VAM-9. If you do have letter transfer that I can not see, then it would be a VAM-9B.
Sorry that it is not a VAM-9A.

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:58 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:15 pm
I believe that it is a single clash version of the VAM-9B. I can not see any letter transfer in your photos. If the n & st transfer occurred on the second clash, then you have a VAM-9. If you do have letter transfer that I can not see, then it would be a VAM-9B.
Sorry that it is not a VAM-9A.
Ok whatever you say. Since you can’t see them then it can’t be true! Hahaha. Or maybe the fact I took pics with my phone. But since YOU believe I guess I should just take your word for it and go with that. Since nobody has ever been wrong looking at low quality pics taking from a cell phone. Or maybe I should just get rid of my stereo microscope cause it has to be wrong and showing me things if you are correct! Good day

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:01 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:15 pm
I believe that it is a single clash version of the VAM-9B. I can not see any letter transfer in your photos. If the n & st transfer occurred on the second clash, then you have a VAM-9. If you do have letter transfer that I can not see, then it would be a VAM-9B.
Sorry that it is not a VAM-9A.
Or maybe Vamworld is wrong with their listing? It’s weird they match every single mark here that vamworld posted. Guess everyone is wrong besides you. Must be nice to be you
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:21 pm

Levigarrett101 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:01 pm
ljs123 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:15 pm
I believe that it is a single clash version of the VAM-9B. I can not see any letter transfer in your photos. If the n & st transfer occurred on the second clash, then you have a VAM-9. If you do have letter transfer that I can not see, then it would be a VAM-9B.
Sorry that it is not a VAM-9A.
Or maybe Vamworld is wrong with their listing? It’s weird they match every single mark here that vamworld posted. Guess everyone is wrong besides you. Must be nice to be you

No VAMworld is not wrong on their listing. Your coin does not match the 9A listing. You posted the VW photos as proof. Will you accept it when I show you that your clash is not a match to the VW listing for 9A? When you are attributing clashed VAMs you have to look very closely to detail. Your clash does not match VAM-9A.
I'm sorry that you hoped to have a VAM-9A and I had to tell you that your coin is not a VAM-9A. You asked.
Your coin is what it is, and that is not a VAM-9A. I believe that it is the first clash of the 9B.


Here is a close up of a 9A reverse clash at the n.
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Now look closely at where the clash meets the n.


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Now here is your coin.
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Do you still think that your coin is a match to VAM-9A?

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:33 pm

You clearly have an issue with me answering your post in a way that casts a doubt on the attribution that you wanted to hear.
Maybe we can get one or more of the professional attributers to join in?
I hope will you believe them.

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:07 pm

ljs123 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:25 pm
Mhomei wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:54 am
Nice grab.
You suck!


Mitch,
Would you take another look at this coin? It is not a match to the information on the VAM-9A page.

The fact you had to ask speaks louder than words.

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by messydesk » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:08 pm

Please post a picture of the line left of the bow on your coin that is shown with the arrow labeled "bow line" on the VAM 9A page.
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:20 pm

messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:08 pm
Please post a picture of the line left of the bow on your coin that is shown with the arrow labeled "bow line" on the VAM 9A page.
Thank you for a kind and intelligent response. I will gladly try and get that picture for you. This is a lot easier than someone jumping up and saying you are wrong and I am right!! I enjoy corresponding with people and learning from people like yourself who asks for more before assuming they are correct. I am no expert but I don’t take NO’s from a nobody on the internet until all the facts are presented. Thank you again messydesk

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by colwillys » Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:43 pm

I have a question ? Have you checked the VAM 9G .. It looks to have light clashing like your coin . I
do not do good with pictures all the time .. I do more with Peace dollars , but fall off the fence at times .

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 pm

messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:08 pm
Please post a picture of the line left of the bow on your coin that is shown with the arrow labeled "bow line" on the VAM 9A page.
Bow line pic. Shows a gouge line left of the bow
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by Levigarrett101 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:55 pm

colwillys wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:43 pm
I have a question ? Have you checked the VAM 9G .. It looks to have light clashing like your coin . I
do not do good with pictures all the time .. I do more with Peace dollars , but fall off the fence at times .
No polishing line by the cotton leaves or cracked reverse by dollar like Vam 9g shows

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:11 pm

Tom,
It is clear that his reverse clash line at n doesn't match VAM-9A.
I'm sorry that's not what he wanted to hear.

He has a great advantage at attribution with the coin in hand.
So I was doing my best to help him attribute his coin with the limited information that I have.
So I had to look for other features that his photos show.
I will show you obverse photos showing the VAM-9B crack at M of UNUM that appears to match VAM-9B.
I will also show you reverse photos showing the crack at TE of UNITED that appears to match VAM-9B.

VAM-9B crack at M
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VAM-9B crack at TE
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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by ljs123 » Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:14 pm

Also, the chip next to his bow looks like VAM-9B, not 9A.

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Re: 1885 Vam 9a?

Post by messydesk » Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:25 pm

Levigarrett101 wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:52 pm
messydesk wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:08 pm
Please post a picture of the line left of the bow on your coin that is shown with the arrow labeled "bow line" on the VAM 9A page.
Bow line pic. Shows a gouge line left of the bow
I don't see a match for VAM 9A. Now use the same picture to compare the lines in the bow with those shown on the VAM 9B page, even though those on the 9B page are hard to see.
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